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Old 12-11-2006, 03:40 PM
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Food ,Space and Soul- As per Veda

Food ,Space and Soul- As per Veda

Food is inert matter (Annam) and on oxidation (Prana), it produces inert energy. This energy is converted into awareness or chit. The Veda says ‘Annat purushah’. This inert energy is transformed into soul and this inert energy maintains the entire world as cosmic energy (Jeeva bhutam…the Gita). The Veda says that space is produced from soul. Here soul denotes inert energy only, which is its basic form. Therefore, the space is also inert. Otherwise space should have been a living being with awareness. According to Einstein space is geometrical only and exists as long as matter exists. But space is geometrical required for the waves to occupy and propagate. So, even if all the matter is converted into energy, space can still exist. As long as space exists energy has to exist because space is also a form of energy. Of course, if you speak of energy also in terms of matter, you can say that space exists as long as matter exists.

The condensed energy is matter. This means energy can be diluted and so energy or space expands. This represents the theory of constant expansion of space. In Maha Pralaya, the design of the world exists which needs space. If only awareness disappears by destruction of all living beings, it is called as Pralaya. If all the matter disappears leaving energy, it is Maha Pralaya. Disappearance of matter means transformation of matter into energy. Similarly disappearance of awareness means transformation of awareness into inert energy. Up to this concept both God and energy exist like Father and mother. Up to this, both inference (philosophy) and perception (science) travel together like parents. The follower of Shakti cult (Shakteya) says that the energy itself is God and thus he is just the present scientist. He is better than Advaitin, who says that awareness is God. Even in Maha Pralaya at least energy exists.

Awareness disappears even in Pralaya. Of course both these become one and the same if the awareness is also considered as energy basically. Both these depend on perception only. They too depend upon inference, but their inference is based on perception. The fire is inferred from smoke, because the relationship of fire and smoke is already seen (perception) in kitchen. Therefore awareness, the inferred God by Advaitin is imaginable and even perceivable through intricate modern instruments. Such inference is based on perception only. The inference of God should be based on scriptures like the Veda. The interaction of Father and mother is inferred by seeing the interaction of a couple later on. Such inference is perception based. But the interaction of God is never perceived, because God is never perceived since God is beyond even the imagination. Maha Karana Pralaya represents the dissolution of energy completely, which means the disappearance of space. The situation becomes unimaginable. The space of the dream disappears but still the brain exists in the absolute space.

The mind (nervous energy) requires absolute space for existence. Thus existence of absolute space (Paramavyoma) is required for the existence of God. Since no item in the creation can stand as perfect representative of God, this problem comes. The existence of Paramavyoma again speaks about the existence of energy in more subtle form. The dissolution of energy to the fullest extent leads to complete unimaginable situation, which was exactly the situation before creation. Such a great devotee leaves the science and perception completely. He believes only in the Veda. He believes only in God as the absolute cause every time after Maha Pralaya. Such a great devotee never falls as he depends only on God as the root of root cause (Maha karanam). Jesus believed God in such a way.

Shankara’s advaita is actually this concept only. An atheist cannot travel to this distance and so He (Shankara) stopped at the concept of awareness only so that every atheist is attracted and feels that the absolute is in him and finally he can become the absolute God. Even the concept of Pralaya is not brought here and awareness was declared as eternal. For the sake of a theist, awareness is eternal and remains in deep sleep and also in Pralaya. But the atheist should realize that awareness is not present in deep sleep since one is not aware of even the soul, which is awareness of awareness as found in meditation. The enquiry of the source of ‘I’, which represents the fundamental characteristic of awareness in deep sleep reveals the whole story. The inert energy is the source of ‘I’ as realized from the analysis of deep sleep.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:08 AM
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Post Mula Maya, Maha Maya and Maya

Mula Maya, Maha Maya and Maya


The world is a composite of

1) Primary energy (Mula Maya),

2) Matter, awareness and different forms of energy like light, heat etc. (Maha Maya) and

3) The forms of matter and feelings of awareness (Maya).

For the soul only Maya is unreal because soul being awareness is in the higher plane. The soul is a part of Maha Maya. Maya is like the drama which is restricted to the roles and dialogues including actions (feelings). The actors, dresses, lights and stage constitute Maha Maya which remains even after the drama. Even if these items of Maha Maya are removed, the ground remains eternal which is like the Mula Maya. Therefore, with reference to the soul, only the drama is unreal.

The Unreal world for the soul is restricted to the Maya only. If you define the world as Maha Maya and Mula Maya, it is real for the soul. If you define the world as Maya, Maha Maya and Mula Maya put together, it is mixture of reality and unreality and hence can neither be stated as real nor unreal (Mithya of Shankara). If you restrict the world to Maya only, it is nothing (Shunyam of Buddhists and Asat of Gaudapada). If you restrict the world to Maha Maya and Mula Maya, it is real (Sat of Ramanuja and Madhva). Therefore, with reference to the soul the world can be real or unreal or a mixture of both according to the limitations of the restricted part of the creation.

If the reference is changed from soul to God, the entire creation is unreal because there is nothing other than God. But to prove the reality of the entertainment of God, the world has to be real for God also and this requires the separate existence of the world. A negligible part of God might have been modified into the world so that both the concepts can be simultaneously maintained. A negligible quantity can be treated almost nil. Such modification can be treated as real (Parinama) or apparent (Vivarta). It is immaterial because the modified part is very much negligible. But in any case, the knowledge of the nature of God becomes essential. All this can be accepted if you place the primary energy in the place of God. But the primary energy is only the first creation of God. Therefore, all this analysis ends with only the first item of the creation (Primary energy). The link between God and Primary energy is unimaginable since God Himself is unimaginable. This is the analysis that can be done with the help of scriptures, science and logic and experience of liberated souls. We can combine these two concepts and arrive at Primary energy charged by unimaginable God as the starting point to avoid defects from both sides. Now the problem is solved.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:15 PM
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Spiritual Knowledge Vs Religious Knowlege

Spiritual Knowledge Vs Religious Knowlege

Knowledge is of two types. Simply hearing the greatness and qualities of the Lord belongs to the plane of mind only and this is the religious knowledge. By such knowledge, you will develop devotion to the Lord. Such knowledge is like fertilizer to grow the plant (devotion). But doubts and repulsions caused by jealousy and egoism are like insects, which attack the plant. The fertilizer cannot kill the insects. Therefore, the plant does not grow and does not become strong. When the Lord conduct tests, this plant falls on the earth by the powerful wind. If the insects are killed the plant will become a huge strong tree and will not even shake. Only pesticide can kill the insects. This pesticide is the spiritual knowledge, which alone can kill the insects. Both the fertilizer and the pesticide are chemicals. Thus, both religious and spiritual knowledge belong to Jnana Yoga only. Both should simultaneously exist as said in Gita (Bodhayantah Parasparam, Kathayantascha…).

Bodha refers to spiritual knowledge and Katha refers to religious knowledge. When the qualities of Krishna were heard by Rukmini from sage Narada, she developed devotion by such religious knowledge. The good qualities and the beauty of the Lord are the religious knowledge, which attracted her. But she also heard that Krishna was a thief of butter and danced with Gopikas in Brundavanam during nights. This is the bacterial insect that attacks the devotion. Sage Narada gave her the spiritual knowledge also, which killed the insect. She came to know that Gopikas were sages, who requested the Lord for liberation from all worldly bonds like money, husband etc. By steeling the butter, their bond with money was cut. By attracting their minds through dance, their bonds with their husbands were cut. Krishna never repeated this anywhere with anybody. Since, their bonds were cut, He never returned back to Brundavanam and never repeated this with Gopikas. The Lord inside the body of Krishna is Infinite Ocean of bliss and does not require any external object for receiving happiness. Thus, the religious knowledge belongs to the external human body only and this spiritual knowledge belongs to the eternal Lord present in the body.

The external human body perishes like the shirt, but internal Lord is eternal like the person who wears the shirt. Religious knowledge belong to “flesh” or the human body (Manusheem Tanum….) and the spiritual knowledge belongs to the “God” or the Lord who entered the human body (Asritam..). Unless we have the knowledge of both, the external and internal items, your devotion cannot be eternal. God or Lord is the name of the internal item. Jesus, Krishna etc., is the name of the external human body. These, external names are given only when those bodies appeared. But the name of internal item, which is God or Lord, existed even before those bodies appeared. The name, which generated along with the generation of a human body, must end when the body perishes. But the eternal name continuous forever. If this spiritual knowledge is understood, all the quarrels between all the religions will disappear.

For the generation of the devotion, the external body and its qualities are required like the fertilizer. If you put the pesticide without the fertilizer, the seed is killed without any germination. Similarly, if you develop only the spiritual knowledge without the religious knowledge, there is no devotion in your heart. The unimaginable God can never develop devotion in your mind. You cannot even think about God. You can never serve the God. Therefore, the devotion can never be generated. The seed will never germinate. The Advita scholars have lot of pesticide but not even a trace of fertilizer. The seed of devotion is killed by such pesticide and therefore they can never enjoy the fruit of the tree finally. Gita is a mixture of both fertilizer and pesticide. Upanishads are pesticide (Nirgunam). Ramayanam, Bhagavatam etc., are the fertilizer (Sagunam). Both are equally important. Without religious knowledge the devotion can never be even generated and without the spiritual knowledge the devotion can never grow. Therefore, it is meaningless to think of the importance of devotion without the help of knowledge. Sankara stressed on the knowledge and Ramanuja stressed on devotion. Both are equally important and essential.
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Old 12-15-2006, 06:16 PM
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Spiritual Solution for Tensions and Anxiety

Spiritual Solution for Tensions and Anxiety

Realisation and repeated memorization of the true knowledge is the only one solution for this problem. The ignorance is responsible for all the anxiety and tensions. One should know that every one has climbed the time (Kala), which is the running train. Death is the station at which one has to get down. Then every one should face the Lord for the enquiry.

After the enquiry one will get either permanent happiness or permanent misery. The journey of this train to that station is the human life, which is only a fraction of second when it is compared to the infinite stream of time set up from the beginning of the creation. To think that the life is very long itself is ignorance. Every one is sitting in a closed compartment and realisation of the truth is the window through which every one should peep to find the infinite time stream. Only on such comparison the human life becomes a small fraction of a second. When the realization is absent and when there is no comparison the lifetime appears to be very long. First one should cross this illusion of time. Similarly, the illusion of the place. The earth looks very large under the ignorance.

But if one realises the infinite space of this universe the entire earth is a small fraction of a pinhead. Similarly one gets a comfortable seat and sits on it thinking that he is settled in the life. Another person is moving in the compartment in search of a comfortable seat and according to him he is not settled. But when both these people look out through the window, which is realisation of truth, then both realise that both are moving. Similarly one thinks that his co-passengers are his close relatives and is worried about them. But they get down at their respective stations and do not remember this fellow at all. Nobody remembers their relatives of his previous birth. If one realises that the so-called close relatives like parents, wife, children etc., are only the co-passengers who get down at their stations, he will not have any tension or anxiety about them. He does his duties without these two. Similarly when one thinks that he is his body itself, he feels that diseases damage him.

But if one realises that this body is only a dramatic dress needed for his role in the present drama, he is not worried about the damage of the body. He feels that as if his shirt is damaged. During the journey in the train one must constantly think about the interview and prepare for it. In such case he gets permanent happiness after the enquiry even though he is traveling in a comfortless third class compartment. If one forgets the interview and is attracted by the factors in the closed compartment, he is going to get permanent misery even if he travels by a first class compartment.

Thus, something is good according to the ignorant people and that is bad according to the realised scholars. This world is full of ignorant people and only very few realised scholars are present. Therefore the behaviour of a realised soul is criticized and mocked by the large public. But all the souls will realise the truth after the death when they face the enquiry. But it becomes too late by that time and nothing can be rectified. Thus, a realised scholar never cares for the public and proceeds in the true path decided by the true realisation. Only such true knowledge can remove the tensions and anxiety. The path of devotion can make you forget the pain temporarily for some time. It cannot remove the pain and anxiety on a permanent basis. No other methods like rituals, worships, etc., can solve this problem except the frequent memorization of the true knowledge. True knowledge is the comprehensive outlook of the whole situation i.e., realised by looking through the window of the train. Ignorance is the limited look inside the closed compartment, which is related to the comforts of seats and the bonds of co-passengers.
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:17 PM
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Why my life is with full of problems?

Why my life is with full of problems?
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Why is my life full of problems related to money, relations, stress etc? Why do all the decisions that I take always go wrong?
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Man proposes and God disposes to show that you should not be too much involved in the worldly affairs and that you should turn to Him. The failures in the world show that God is very much interested in your case and is constantly trying to divert you towards Him. The failures and problems are real friends, who will turn you to God.

The success with fame is the real enemy, which drags you away from the God. When Lord Krishna asked His aunt, Kunthi, to ask for a boon, she asked Krishna to continue only problems in her life. Her argument was that she remembered the Lord always in difficulties. She wants to remember God continuously. All the things in this world proceed according to the wheel of deeds (Karma Chakra).

You cannot change the destined route of things in this nature. They reflect the systematic administration of rules and regulations laid down by the Lord. You cannot change the nature of the external atmosphere. You must cut your mental attachment to the external atmosphere and remain peaceful. With the peaceful mind, you must concentrate on God.

You are standing in the sea and meditating upon the Sun. You cannot stop the waves. The waves in the sea should not move your mind. Your body or your cloths may be moved but not your mind. For this you must think that you are not the clothes and you are not the body. You are the soul, which is pure awareness.

All the external bonds are related to your body and mind (feelings) only. This is called as self-realization through self-analysis. Sankara stressed this first part of the spiritual path because this is common to all the human beings in this world. The attainment of God is the second part of the path. Mental worry is like fever.

Attainment of God is like attaining special strength. All the fever- patients want to get rid of the fever. After liberation from the fever, some of the patients may try to get special strength by taking special tonics. Ramanuja and Madhva stressed this second part of the spiritual path through the propagation of devotion. But, the first part is common to all the patients as stressed by Sankara. The self-analysis is like the anti- biotic medicine for the fever. First you must get rid of the fever. Without subsiding the fever, you cannot proceed for tonics to attain special strength. For the first part, there is no need of even the concept of God.

Getting rid of the fever is peace. Attaining of God is bliss. Peace is required to get the bliss. Peace should not be mistaken as bliss. The soul is in your body only. If you attain the soul, you have attained your money, which is misplaced, in your house. When you get it, your worry is removed and you become peaceful. You need not become happy because it is your money only. But when you get some money on the road, outside your house, you are happy. The first part is avoiding loss and second part is attaining profit.
The Advaita scholars are very happy when they have found their own misplaced money in their houses.

They feel as if they have attained money from others. They are satisfied with ‘ No loss’ and feel that itself is the profit. They invest money in business and want their original money only at the end of business. They say that this is only the maximum profit. They deny the merchants who have more money as profits. Ofcourse, these innocent scholars are better than the merchants who are in loss. They are better than mentally worried people. But they think that peace is the bliss. For them, ‘no loss’ is the only profit.

I am therefore, advising you to take the anti-biotic, which is the self- analysis as the first drug. Even for this drug to act properly and immediately, grace of God is essential as said by Sankara (Eeswaraamugrahaadeva…).
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Do not fall in the illusion of materialistic happiness here and happiness of heaven t

Do not fall in the illusion of materialistic happiness here and happiness of heaven there.

Of course, very serious and urgent results are enjoyed here itself immediately (Atyutkataih…..). This enjoyment of results here itself serves another purpose also by standing as a proof for others regarding the inevitable enjoyment of results. Without realizing this divine administration, some are proposing the enjoyment of all good and bad results here itself so that the souls can fully realize.

Suppose a student is in the preparation holidays to study for the examinations. He should not be disturbed by extra curricular activities to reward or by punishments of disciplinary action. Both these should be postponed to a latter date after the examinations. Of course, urgent activities and actions are exceptional. A good principal of the college behaves in this way only.

When the human life is not used for the ultimate purpose, it ends and the soul takes an energetic body (Yatana Sariram for bad results and Bhoga Sasiram for good results), which is more sensitive to enjoy the results in the hell and heaven. If the human life is made fruitful by realizing its ultimate aim, the soul reaches the abode of God by taking a bright energetic body (Divya Sariram). Therefore, My dear devotees! Do not fall in the illusion of solving problems here and avoiding hell there. Do not fall in the illusion of materialistic happiness here and happiness of heaven there. Realize the real aim of this human life and serve the Lord in His divine mission and please Him.
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Establishment of Universal Spirituality

Establishment of Universal Spirituality

Leaving the concept of the central Lord who is the ruler of the souls, breathing exercises (Pranayama), meditation upon the soul, self-realization etc., are only beating around the bush. Without the logical establishment of the concept of one God in all the religions, Universal Spirituality, one family of all the human beings, world peace etc are only the illusory castles or the real castles built upon the ground without the foundation. All such aims will be either unreal or temporary realities only in practice.

One may achieve the oneness of the human beings temporarily during the time of his preaching the audience. Such oneness is like the oneness of human beings achieved during the deep sleep of all the human beings for which no trace of preaching is required. When you ask all to love each other without hatred, it is impractical in the practical life of ordinary human beings. The preacher is a saint and has no interaction with society that can lead to anger and hatred. But I am an employee doing my duties sincerely without any trace of corruption.

But several ignorant people are angry with me for not favoring them and become my enemies in spite of my several appeals. It is easy to preach the Universal Brotherhood for a saint but it is impossible to practice it for an ordinary employee in the world. What is the solution for this? The only solution is to attack this issue at the level of intelligence by analysis and there is no use of attempting at the level of mind with love and appeal. The intelligence (Buddhi) is the driver of the body (Vehicle) and leads the soul (Owner). You have to guide the driver and not the inert vehicle or the incapable owner.

If you can establish the concept of one God in all religions and convince all the drivers of the human bodies, the unity and peace is sure to come forever.
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Advaita preachers mislead devotees

Advaita preachers mislead devotees

Preachers of Advaita often mislead the devotees by stating that the soul which is made of pure awareness (Chit) is simultaneously bliss (Ananda). This is an utter lie in practice. If the soul is simultaneously bliss, no soul should receive misery. Hence the fire is hot everywhere and should not be cool anywhere. Similarly they say that the soul is simultaneously knowledge. They have taken the meaning of knowledge (Jnanam) as chit (pure awareness)! If this is true, the awareness is present in every living being and hence every living being should have simultaneously the knowledge. We are calling even a human being (supposed to be the highest living being) as ignorant and such usage should not exist as there should be no ignorant living being.
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