the Fascist Character of the Israeli State

[ArghMonkey]

Ehud Olmert’s political party, Kadima, currently leading the murderous charge in Lebanon, was forged out of Likud, and Likud out of Herut, the political party of Zeev Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Zionism, a movement at odds with socialist Zionism and taking its cues from Benito Mussolini and fascism.

In 1940, Avraham Stern, inspired by Jabotinsky, formed Irgun Zvai Leumi be-Yisrael, or simply Lehi, a terrorist group dedicated to killing not only officials and soldiers of British colonialism in Palestine, but anybody, regardless of race or religion (including Jews), who stood in the way of realizing a “homeland in the Land of Israel within the borders delineated in the Bible,” as Stern declared in his 18 Principles of Rebirth (see David Ohana’s Zarathustra in Jerusalem: Nietzsche and the “New Hebrews”). Stern and Lehi, also called the Stern Gang, attempted to team up with the Nazis during the Second World War, declaring a “common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO (Lehi).”

“Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can negate the use of terror as a means of battle,” an article published in a Lehi underground newspaper stated in 1943. “We are quite far from moral hesitations on the national battlefield. We see before us the command of the Torah, the most moral teaching in the world: Obliterate—until destruction. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all…. But primarily terror is part of our political battle under present conditions and its role is large and great.” In other words, as commanded in the Old Testament (the reference to “obliteration” is taken from Exodus 17:14 and Numbers 14:45), enemies should be destroyed completely and their “remembrance” blotted out for all history. Such mass murder and brutality, uncoupled from any moral restraint, “shakes the Yishuv [settlers] from their complacency”

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[nameless]

Oh my!
Anti-Jewish propaganda on the net!
Sheesh!
What next?
Pornography?

[ArghMonkey]

I personally find this paragraph pretty damning ...

But primarily terror is part of our political battle under present conditions and its role is large and great.” In other words, as commanded in the Old Testament (the reference to “obliteration” is taken from Exodus 17:14 and Numbers 14:45), enemies should be destroyed completely and their “remembrance” blotted out for all history. Such mass murder and brutality, uncoupled from any moral restraint, “shakes the Yishuv [settlers] from their complacency”

[nameless]

Whats the point? The Koran is full of the same violent injunction and BS. The point is that if someone attacks a bigger someone, there is a good chance of them getting their ass kicked! If they stopped attacking Israel, Israel would stop RESPONDING to their attacks. Simple. Scripture be damned.
If I was minding my own business and someone attacked me vowing 'genocide', I too would 'make an example' of them!
Never again!

[ArghMonkey]

Originally Posted by nameless

Whats the point? The Koran is full of the same violent injunction and BS. The point is that if someone attacks a bigger someone, there is a good chance of them getting their ass kicked! If they stopped attacking Israel, Israel would stop RESPONDING to their attacks. Simple. Scripture be damned.
If I was minding my own business and someone attacked me vowing 'genocide', I too would 'make an example' of them!
Never again!

Ya I know, infact in different ways the arabs are scarier, the problem here is that Israel has the weapons to kill thousands on a whim, the arabs dont ...

The people both deserve each other though, Israelis and the middle east, both are ignorant, both are religiously driven, both deserve to be smacked as far as im concerned. The middle east needs to get with the 20th century and the Israelis need to open their eyes and work toward peace, not conquest ...

[nameless]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

Ya I know, infact in different ways the arabs are scarier, the problem here is that Israel has the weapons to kill thousands on a whim, the arabs dont ...

Then I would guess that it behooves the Arabs to find someone a bit 'weaker' to hate and vow genocide on?
The Israelis do not seem to use their weaponry unless attacked. Sounds fair to me...

..and the Israelis need to open their eyes and work toward peace, not conquest ...

Woah, cowboy! The Israelis have been a model of peacefulness amongst her neighbors. Treaties all over the place...
Israel is the 'wronged one' in that they were living in peace with their neighbors and they have been attacked by Arab maniacs.
Israel, considering all the talk of (and action that would lead to..) genocide has been very restrained (unlike the 'Arabs'). Their actions have been carefully considered.. other than a few 'oopses' which are to be expected in a war that was 'handed to them' in a world that hates them (why?).
Considering the bigotry and fear and hatred and violence that (predominately) Xtianity has fueled and perpetuated throughout these millennia, Israel should make an example of attackers that last through ten generations! Fuk with, unprovoked, a peaceful giant and you deserve what you get.
Thats what I'd do...

[free tibet]

Israeli is the only modern, Representative, liberal democracy in the entire middle east, If you want to see facism look to Islamist facism, and to Iran, in Iran 100s of people are executed every year by being hung for god sake. Sharia law is barbaric facism, not Israel.

[IamJoseph]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

Ya I know, infact in different ways the arabs are scarier, the problem here is that Israel has the weapons to kill thousands on a whim, the arabs dont ...

The people both deserve each other though, Israelis and the middle east, both are ignorant, both are religiously driven, both deserve to be smacked as far as im concerned. The middle east needs to get with the 20th century and the Israelis need to open their eyes and work toward peace, not conquest ...

Let the sic, cursed monkey expose himself. He does a great job of it. This monkey won't be dancing with the Arabs when infidels are massacred - he will be proven DEAD WRONG and lie under their feet.

ISRAEL WILL PREVAIL BY THE ERRORS OF HER ENEMIES.

[ArghMonkey]

Originally Posted by free tibet

Israeli is the only modern, Representative, liberal democracy in the entire middle east, If you want to see facism look to Islamist facism, and to Iran, in Iran 100s of people are executed every year by being hung for god sake. Sharia law is barbaric facism, not Israel.

The problems of the middle east are vast but the lack of human rights in the middle east doesnt mean its ok for Israel to lie or butcher arabs ...

Look at the reasons wars are started, your using the same weak line of thinking that the neo-cons used for the iraq war ...


Some Guy: "im against the iraq war"

Neo-Con Idiot: "oh so your pro saddam"

Some Guy: "well no, i dont like saddam but I am still against this war"

Neo-Con Idiot: "i dont understand, how can you be against the iraq war and not pro saddam"


Wether the middle east is a mess or not has nothing to do with wether Israel is doing something wrong itself! Judge Israel on its own merit, an answer to "Israel is doing something wrong" isent "the arabs are barbaric" ....

[free tibet]

I agree actually, the arabs being barbaric doesn't give Israel the justification of some of things it does. However relatively Islamic facism is far worse, so despite we might think Israel have been wrong in some of their actions, imagine if the situation had been reversed. I 100% say that if the arab nations could wipe Israel out, they would do, despite what the west or the UN say.

[IamJoseph]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

The problems of the middle east are vast but the lack of human rights in the middle east doesnt mean its ok for Israel to lie or butcher arabs ..." ....

Or maybe it means you should check your mother - what she is made of, to produce a sht like you. I see more equivalence in your parents being fascists than that with Israel being cast as a fascist. Filth should look in the mirror for its own equivalence.

[IamJoseph]

Funny thing. Muslims created mayhem over innocent cartoon satire, and none took them to task for 60 years of Nazi cartoons parading Islamist states. Funnier still, those who alligned with fascist Germany, and still use Nazi doctrines pervading all 52 Islamist states against Jews (no, not Israelis or Zionists), have become popular today because they include Americans.

Of course, the right answer for the true fascists in our midst is to deflect it all with equvalence. Attack Israel, then call her a fascist for a response. Those who remained silent of the Islamist fascists, thereby fostering them, become aggressively sanctimonious monkeys in attacking Jews - under the placebo of any excuse their filthy feet can stand in. You won't see these coward fascists in hiding against the fascist Islamists - guess why! Be silent as these covert fascists at your own peril.



US Muslims bristle at Bush term "Islamic fascists"
Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:07 PM ET



By Amanda Beck

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim groups criticized President George W. Bush on Thursday for calling a foiled plot to blow up airplanes part of a "war with Islamic fascists," saying the term could inflame anti-Muslim tensions.

U.S. officials have said the plot, thwarted by Britain, to blow up several aircraft over the Atlantic bore many of the hallmarks of al Qaeda.

"We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counter-productive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group.

"We ought to take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims," he told a news conference in Washington.

"We urge him (Bush) and we urge other public officials to restrain themselves."

Awad said U.S. officials should take the lead from their British counterparts who had steered clear of using what he considered inflammatory terms when they announced the arrest of more than 20 suspects in the reported plot.

Hours after the news broke, Bush said it was "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

Bush and other administration officials have used variations of the term "Islamo-fascism" on several occasions in the past to describe militant groups including al Qaeda, its allies in Iraq and Hizbollah in Lebanon.

Many American Muslims, who say they have felt singled out for discrimination since the September 11 attacks, reject the term and say it unfairly links their faith to notions of dictatorship, oppression and racism.

"The problem with the phrase is it attaches the religion of Islam to tyranny and fascism, rather than isolating the threat to a specific group of individuals," said Edina Lekovic, spokeswoman for the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Los Angeles.

She said the terms cast suspicions on all Muslims, even the vast majority who want to live in safety like other Americans.

"When the people we need most in the fight against terrorism, American Muslims, feel alienated by the president's characterization of these supposed terrorists, that does more damage than good," Lekovic said.

Bush upset many Muslims after the September 11 attacks by referring to the global war against terrorism early on as a "crusade," a term which for many Muslims connotes a Christian battle against Islam. The White House quickly stopped using the expression, expressing regrets if it had caused offense.

Mohamed Elibiary, a Texas-based Muslim activist, said he was upset by the president's latest comments because he was concerned they would stir up resentment of Muslims in America.

"We've got Osama bin Laden hijacking the religion in order to define it one way. ... We feel the president and anyone who's using these kinds of terminologies is hijacking it too from a different side," he said.

"The president's use of the language is going to ratchet up the hate meter, but I think it would have caused much more damage if he had done this after 9/11," Elibiary said, adding that tensions were not running as high as they had been in the immediate aftermath of the 2001 attacks.

Awad, of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called on Muslims to step up security at mosques and community centers to counter any negative backlash to news of the plot.

[IamJoseph]

FASCIST DOCTRINE: ISRAEL SHOULD BE WIPED OFF THE MAP.

And you won't find sanctimonious monekys parading down Iran's Embassy in their home town. Instead, they will be beating their chest on some tree.

[IamJoseph]

Originally Posted by free tibet

I agree actually, the arabs being barbaric doesn't give Israel the justification of some of things it does..

HOW SHOULD ISRAEL REACT WITH SYRIA, IRAN, LEBANON AND HEZBULLAH AT HER DOORSTEP, SUPPLYING HAMAS AND A 100 OTHER GROUPS AT THE OTHER END?

WHO, HOW, WHEN AND WHERE WOULD *YOU* MEARURSABLY & PROPORTIONATELY ATTACK TO SAVE YOURSELF? WHICH BEDROOM ON WHICH FLOOR OF WHICH TOWN? WHICH MOSQQUE? WHICH HOSPITAL? WHICH UN DEPOT? WHCH BUNKER 10 STORES UNDER THE MOUNTAIN - PREPARED THE PAST SIX YEARS UNDER YOUR INNOCENT LEBANESE VICTIM'S NOSES? WHICH SUPPLY ROUTE FROM IRAN AND SYRIA? AT WHAT POINT IN THIS WAR WOULD YOU CEASE FIGHTING - ANY CONDITIONS, AND WHAT ARE THEY?

IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS - YOUR STATEMENT IS MEANINGLESS.

I AM LISTENING & AWAITING YOUR ANSWER, AND KNOW THAT IF YOU SAY THAT JUST 2 SOLDIERS WERE KIDNAPPED, AND MAKE OUT THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THE SITUATION CONFRONTING ISRAEL - I SEE YOU AS AN ALIEN FROM ANOTHER PLANET. OR WORSE.

[ArghMonkey]

Originally Posted by free tibet

I agree actually, the arabs being barbaric doesn't give Israel the justification of some of things it does. However relatively Islamic facism is far worse, so despite we might think Israel have been wrong in some of their actions, imagine if the situation had been reversed. I 100% say that if the arab nations could wipe Israel out, they would do, despite what the west or the UN say.

Oh I agree that the arabs would do a lot more if they could. The point here that overrides all of this is that if Israel does something wrong, something against human rights, whatever atrocities they regularly do they need to be held accountable, again, saying that arabs WOULD do something if they could doesnt mean Israel is justified to do whatever it wants, the fact is if both sides were equal in the conflict both sides would be working toward peace because they couldnt afford not to, as it is Israel can bomb and butcher and they have the media control, the money and the firepower to act out their own myopic wants, they need to be held accountable for what they do, they have so much blood on their hands, they need to change ...