Canadians send message to G20 in recent Toronto violence

[jimbad]

Why is it ok to string up the officer but not the person who smashes the shops? i understand the politics of it, but that is still somebody's work place! there are better ways than smashing windows to get your point accross............ i'm sorry Argh but as much as i sympathise i can not and will not ever condone smashing places up because people are trying to make a point, it makes them no better than what they fight against.

the greatest civil rights activists the people who hold vigil and sit in protest are the ones who get better results and more respect because then when authority moves to strike them down they can take the moral high ground and people will start backing them.

[ArghMonkey]

Originally Posted by jimbad

Why is it ok to string up the officer but not the person who smashes the shops? i understand the politics of it, but that is still somebody's work place! there are better ways than smashing windows to get your point accross............ i'm sorry Argh but as much as i sympathise i can not and will not ever condone smashing places up because people are trying to make a point, it makes them no better than what they fight against.

The protester that smashs a building, if caught, does get in trouble.

The police officer is held to a higher level, a cop that does wrong is much worse then a protest that does the same thing.

Your a good hearted guy in some ways jimbad but u dont see the big picture here.

The entire system is designed to screw u and its designed that way by big business, they are lucky we allow them to exist and they should only exist at our pleasure, companies are not ur masters, stop feeling bad for them, the worst you could do in ur lifetime to any company will be less then the suffering they cause for all of society in a single day.

I know u dont believe that, your not one of the people that sees the big picture, ur just a nice guy that would good company to have a beer with and thats ur place in life and thats cool in its own way, please dont end up shooting urself in the foot for those that want something better.

the greatest civil rights activists the people who hold vigil and sit in protest are the ones who get better results and more respect because then when authority moves to strike them down they can take the moral high ground and people will start backing them.

That already happeend in TO, the protesters that were attacked were peaceful, just read the article.

[PoseidonsNet]

The G20 and their honchos pilfer the world,
that is a fact.

A billion for a meeting for talky-talk?
and you all think 10 million would be ok?

when a parasite sucks your blood
you squash it
and if nobody was seriously injured it was not violence

You lot have no IDEA what violence is.

If you think some billionaire having his precious
paid-for-with-bailout-bourgeoiuzie-pseudo-business
windows smashed is violence,

hahaha

thats still just protest ~ it gets real
and then all your wolf-crying will work against you

The likes of the G20 are precisely in the same
REPUBLICAN position as the south african nats WERE
last century

those times were BAD, real BAD
you DO NOT want to keep going along that road
cos thats where your white world is going

into the RED

The entire financial world is a us-vs-them oligarchy
based on keeping the divide between rich and poor
as wide as possible,

and its going to crumble
just like the nats (nazis) crumbled

the only question
is how long do you keep on the low road and avoid the high road?

how bad are you willing to let it get
before you pull down the wall?

how many must die?

The entire western (white) world is an empire of tyranny
based on the model of the police state known as
the REPUBLIC - based on Plato,

Its a financial/legal/boondoggle wall of pure greed exploitation and opportunism.

(I have blue eyes btw)


....
good on yer cash
....

[jimbad]

Hmmm, no idea what Violence is............... thats a big assumption! some of us truley do understand what it is! it is not unique to the africa!!! some of us have held our friends as they lay dying because of the situations we have had forced upon us, we have watched heads roll litrealy! we have sat in wholes and watched evil attrocieties unfold and been unable to stop them! we are not all strangers to violence!!! i will not make such an assumption about you or anybody here! i dont know what your lives have held for you and for those around you. but here have a hug.....!

[ArghMonkey]

The short story is jimbads world is small, nice guy, doesnt see the big picture and the protesters hardly did anything, it was the cops that acted out and caused the real trouble.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

The short story is jimbads world is small, nice guy, doesnt see the big picture and the protesters hardly did anything, it was the cops that acted out and caused the real trouble.

I would have to bet that Jimbad has seen more of the world then you.
Even I have seen more then you personally. Meanwhile you sit at your computer and blah blah blah all the time.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

First off, good on you young man, glad to hear you were there.

Let me highlight some things I think that are particularly important.

1. there were some abuses of power that will likely go unpunished.

So will violent people who want to start trouble, do we hear you saying anything about that in a thread? No, it is always about the cops and how they should be as a higher standard, which is a cop out on the violent protesters actions.

[quote=ArghMonkey;452596]2. they spent a billion on the G20 to have it in toronto when they could've had the meeting out on some guy's farm 100 times cheaper.[/QUOTE}

If it was taxpayer monies, yes that is bad news for the government. But then again you complain about this, yet look the other way when BILLIONS are spent on social programs every year.

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

3. the problem are the massive business conglomerates who get the most say, which they reserve for their own interests to the detriment of others (bildeburg, tri-lateral)

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

Personally I have no problem with subway or starbucks being smashed, corporations deserve worse, like the ceos heads chopped off.

So now you are advocating people dying? My god, you are bonkers. And destroying peoples livelihoods? You do realize that average people work at these shops right? And you tell me I have mental issues....

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

Whether the police action in TO is right or wrong has nothing to do with how police act in other countries.

Yes it does, it shows you are a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

A wife beater is not a good person because they arent a serial killer.

Yes, but then again one is not killing someone, the other is. Different crimes means different punishments. Or do you think all crimes should be punished by death? Since you like to kill CEOs.

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

If the cops do something wrong, STRING THEM UP!

And if a bunch of punks from the far left does something wrong, ignore them?

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

Socialism doesnt remove anyones freedom, it makes sure things are fair for everyone and does not prefer the rich over the poor.

You dont know what your talking about, again, your stupid, move along *L*

Can shit-for-brains please read a book on socialism/communism/progressivism?

Socialism is all about creating regulations and laws to control people. What part of oppression do you NOT understand? When will the people to my north understand what freedom and liberty is about?

[ArghMonkey]

Why are u wasting my time with this nonsense?

Im not going to constantly have to explain what socialism is, I and many others have posted the details, if you dont comprehend reality thats YOUR problem.

I am tired of your hijacking threads and tired of your stupid comments (eating the rich and cutting the heads off CEOs is hardly literal).

You just wasted three posts with nonsense, your not even trying to pay attention or add anything intelligent to the conversation.

So, its summer, go hang out with the family, stop hijacking threads with nonsense, whine to me later.

[Ca$hback]

Over-fucking-simplification. An emotiv, non-literal statement or not it shows you lack depth of understanding that economies are multi-tiered and there is massive overlap. There are shady practices, some of them accepted as the norm but blanket statements like CEOs deserve their heads chopped only shows laziness on your part describing your side of the issue. THAT's my beef. There is no black and white, it's all grey area. You can't have cops that can't enforce authority but your blanket statements would suggest such a thing when I know it's not what you mean. If you were there and saw the assholes smashing people's shops you'd get red in the face. They were hurting innocent people to get back at those they feel are guilty of transgression. They weren't from Toronto, for the most part, most of the shops damaged were mom and pop shops. I would have liked to get a crew together and lynched them. I don't even like this city but the look on the REAL protesters' faces broke my heart and look at what it did to thousands of people having done months of planning for a peaceful protest. Those who were from toronto were highschool punks and disgruntled university students who took out their desire to have fun by smashing shit on the people you cry so loud to protect. Should they have stood by and done nothing on the first day? I, for one, was glad of the retaliation. Don't get me wrong, there were pockets of overreaction but there were warnings and opportunities to get out. The curious were told if they come near the wall, they stand a good chance of being arrested and detained. Ever done bouncing argh? Ever handled aggressive, disorderly people? The grey area you avoid is where they have to make intense judgement calls. That's just bouncing. Remember cops are humans too. So are their bosses.

[ArghMonkey]

Originally Posted by Ca$hback

Over-fucking-simplification. An emotiv, non-literal statement or not it shows you lack depth of understanding that economies are multi-tiered and there is massive overlap. There are shady practices, some of them accepted as the norm but blanket statements like CEOs deserve their heads chopped only shows laziness on your part describing your side of the issue. THAT's my beef. There is no black and white, it's all grey area.

Some things ARE black and white, a cop screwing up is a much bigger deal then a regular citizen screwing up.

Life is not relative, some things are more good and some things are more harmful.

The short story is those in power (big business), have too much power, too much money, spread too much propaganda and will not give up an ounce of any of it unless we FORCE them to.

Thats why the past 30 years have seen reaganomics take over and why the left has had a hard time bringing about change, that and people that say "what does it matter who you vote for, they all screw us over", apathy and ignorance of whats going on is another big problem.

You can't have cops that can't enforce authority but your blanket statements would suggest such a thing when I know it's not what you mean. If you were there and saw the assholes smashing people's shops you'd get red in the face. They were hurting innocent people to get back at those they feel are guilty of transgression.

Ok and? .... I dont feel bad for the businesses, they deserve worse. Its not ideal but I cant blame people for lashing out, you kick a dog enough and it bites you back.

Are we supposed to be screwed over and like it?

I think we are getting closer and closer to a revolution and I think itll be about time.

They weren't from Toronto, for the most part, most of the shops damaged were mom and pop shops. I would have liked to get a crew together and lynched them. I don't even like this city but the look on the REAL protesters' faces broke my heart and look at what it did to thousands of people having done months of planning for a peaceful protest. Those who were from toronto were highschool punks and disgruntled university students who took out their desire to have fun by smashing shit on the people you cry so loud to protect.

Where they are from and the many different motivations they have has nothing to do with whether I think they did something really wrong, I dont, some businesses had glass broken and some cop cars were set on fire, big fucking deal!

Check out the thread I added the other day, some women were threatened and violated for no good reason, why? BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME SO CRAPPY THAT WE ALLOW THAT SORT OF THING TO HAPPEN! We should be totally shutting down that city until the cops responsible are thrown in jail and that sort of shit should never happen again, the cops, like the government are beholden to US.

Should they have stood by and done nothing on the first day? I, for one, was glad of the retaliation.

I don't dig authoritarianism, thanks.

Treat people well and they treat you well, allow busines to screw us over and the best we can muster is to break windows, not a big deal, but your on side for cops doing whatever they please and treating innocent people like shit, ok, you picked your lot, I think your not seeing the big picture here either.

Don't get me wrong, there were pockets of overreaction but there were warnings and opportunities to get out.

People are allowed to protest! Overreaction? *L* sucker punching a guardian journalist for no reason is an overreaction!?

Take the power back that you have cash, the cops arent ur boss, they dont control you, we shouldnt allow business to ruin our lives and we sure as shit shouldnt allow cops to man handle people, especially innocent people!

[jimbad]

Originally Posted by ArghMonkey

The short story is jimbads world is small, nice guy, doesnt see the big picture and the protesters hardly did anything, it was the cops that acted out and caused the real trouble.

My world is not as small as you think! you do me a bit of a dis-service here, and unfortunatley i have purely for monetry gain worked for in the private security most of the companies you hate, From BP to the european central bank! i cant say i agree with them and there are those who truely do deserve a kick up the ass with a big shoe but they are not all bad!!! i do agree with many protests and i do agree some major corporations need to be rained in! and you are right, i am great to have a beer with!

[ArghMonkey]

All I can add is we shouldnt allow business or those in power to harm us, if they do we should tear them down, period.

[Ca$hback]

You don't give a fuck about mom and pop because the police abused their powers? You put words in my mouth and I'll put words in yours if you wanna play in a fucking sandbox. If you gave a shit maybe you'd consider both sides of the story before you just label things without bothering to try understand them. You think things should be a certain way. You don't account for situations. You don't consider stress. You think cops should have SUPERHUMAN restraint. It's not some easy job where they just cop feels and eat donuts. You don't give a shit. I was there and can tell just how little you saw. You see the obviously biased media and react polar to it. If you had your way innoccent people would die by the droves, either to cause you revolution or because of it. You think it's a matter of taking the powers away from the police? How the fuck else do you plan to curb behavior like that. As long as there is power there will be abuse of power. If anything in the last 30 years the left has found better ways to voice their opinions and have them heard. How do you plan to fix the police problem? Do you understand the consequences of your methods? You know that the more simple and black and white you make it the more fall through the cracks? No, it isn't black and white, you pretend it is because you're too lazy consider the effects, how you deal with the effects, the effects it will have on particular people in particular cultures, stigma, people who think too highly of themselves but won't roll up their sleeves or lift a finger. You want revolution and by condoning the actions of those petty little cowards you make it sound like you want violent revolution. Many CEOs help the disadvantaged because they're in a position to do so. You don't know shit and sometimes you insult me a lot. I'm putting effort into my arguments making fine points and you come back black and white. Is it because you don't have any good solutions? Is it because you DO account for human fallability? Do you just vent with no clear idea of what to do about it? What the fuck would you do in a revolution, stomp grandmothers? Mom and pop stores and you condone it. People working at starbucks being threatened and you blame them for working for "a big evil company". What am I supposed to think about your oversimplification. You think it's all cut and dried?

Give it some thought, that's all. Don't just spew and expect to be able to have a proper debate.

[Ca$hback]

Incidentally, I meant media bias in favor of what I call the masquerading right (right wing interest with left wing flavor, to seem all hunky-dory to the lefters as neutral.) and becoming polar against the bullshit but when you become polar you miss too much in the emotion of it all.