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Old 01-04-2007, 09:00 AM
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Thumbs up ISRAEL AS AN EU MEMBER?

Israel has always been a controversy - not located in Asia or Europe, yet alligning both. Not a UN sec member, yet the most quoted and villified one. Not a G8 nominee, yet the most successful economy in the M/E. The only country who's existence is questioned, after surviving consistant attempts of her intended demise. Now Europe, after decades of fostering Anti-Israel destructive measures via the EU and Islamic federation of 55 states at the UN, is calling for her inclusion as a EU member.

One good thing of this concerns the equality of law being made more worldly applied - so terrorists do not become freedom fighters when the target is Israel - and this fact is encroaching Europe with a vengence today. Will it mean that 25 EU states and 55 islamic ones will not overwhelm all decisions by the UN anymore, right or wrong, historical or fictionalised?


Call for Israel to become a EU and NATO member

By David Byers Updated: 03/Jan/2007 13:07



Avidgor Lieberman, Israeli Minister for Strategic Threats : "Israel 's diplomatic and security goal... must be clear: joining Nato and entering the European Union.Ē



LONDON (EJP)--- An influential British pressure group has called for Israel to turn its back on the Middle East and become part of the European Union and NATO.

Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI), which is affiliated to the centre-right Conservative Party that leads Tony Blairís New Labour in the opinion polls, on Tuesday said it supported a call by Avigdor Lieberman, a right-wing Israeli Cabinet Minister, for a re-assessment of Israelís standing in the world.

It came after Lieberman, who serves as Minister for Strategic Threats, claimed attacks by Palestinian militants were no different from terrorist acts by jihadists against members of NATO and the EU.

"Israelís diplomatic and security goal... must be clear: joining Nato and entering the European Union," the Israeli Cabinet Minister said. "The war we are waging in the Middle East is not a war of the state of Israel alone, it is a war of the entire free world, and we are situated on the front lines. Today, Palestinian terrorism is part of the worldwide jihad. Palestinian terrorism is fuelled by al-Qaíeda, the Iranians and Hizbollah."

Enthusiastic support

Speaking to the EJP, Robert Halfon, political director of the Conservative Friends of Israel said it enthusiastically supported the call, and had long campaigned for membership of NATO. He claimed that a membership of both entities would strengthen Israelís security.

"We have a strong view that Israel should be a member of NATO. Israel is a western country, and being under the umbrella of NATO would strengthen Israelís security," he said.

On the EU, Halfon added that CFI also backed Liebermanís call. "This is something we would welcome. It would strengthen the EU, Israel, and the role of democracy in the Middle East," he said.

The call by CFI for Israeli membership of the EU is part of a long-running right-wing argument in Conservative British, American and Israeli circles that Israelís conflict with Palestinian militants is part of the wider global clash with militant jihadism.

Critics dismiss this argument saying the Palestinian question is a straightforward land dispute, and they accuse Israel of using jihadism to justify its continued partial occupation of the Palestinian West Bank.

Ties strengthening

While NATO is not offering Israel full membership in the near future, links between it and the Jewish State have been strengthening in recent years, especially in the area of intelligence about militant Islam.

Three months ago Israel became the first non-European nation chosen by NATO to work within its Individual Cooperation Programme.

The programme specifies 27 areas of cooperation including response to terrorism, intelligence sharing, political dialogue, and a host of military and civilian issues including search and rescue operations.

Full membership would afford Israel the same guarantee of mutual defence offered to all members. Historically, this meant that if one member of the alliance was attacked, the full might of NATO would come to its defence.

Israeli membership of NATO would mean America would be obliged to protect the Jewish State were it attacked by Iran, whose leadership repeatedly calls for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Despite being a Middle East nation, Israelís national football team plays in the European zone for World Cup qualification and Israel has long been a member of the European broadcasting union that earns it a place in the annual Eurovision Song Contest.
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Old 01-04-2007, 09:53 AM
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So you're suggesting we should move Israel to the North Atlantic?

I think that'd certainly help the ME situation.
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:40 PM
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So you're suggesting we should move Israel to the North Atlantic?

I think that'd certainly help the ME situation.

No sir. Israel has just reurned from a 2000 year Roman Holiday, and she's staying put where she is forever. Its about helping the European situation: they now know they cannot control their own destinies. Jews dont occupy other peoples' lands. Also, Europe see advantages in obtaining hi-tech at prefrential terms from Israel. Europe has been peering askance at India, israek being her largest client. China made three trade visits to israel. Europe is loosing, not dealing with Israel. Israel has no need to be there, and can fend for herself. Israel cannot trust Europe.
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Israel is in Asia.

The U.S. ought to cede Wyoming to the Israelis, thus greatly increasing their land area while removing that which is keeping the Arabs from destroying each other.
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Israel is in Asia.

The U.S. ought to cede Wyoming to the Israelis, thus greatly increasing their land area while removing that which is keeping the Arabs from destroying each other.

Why Wyoming? Why not Nevada? Or any other state that doesnt ahve a high population? Why not just tell the current state of Irseal to actually let others into their government with FULL rights? Why not actually be the better nation and return to its original state in 1948? Like of whys and what ifs huh? Until Joe can understand that Israel is NOT just a Jewish state and region, its occupied BY MULTI groups for the last 10k years....
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Old 01-05-2007, 12:04 AM
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No sir. Israel has just reurned from a 2000 year Roman Holiday, and she's staying put where she is forever. Its about helping the European situation: they now know they cannot control their own destinies. Jews dont occupy other peoples' lands. Also, Europe see advantages in obtaining hi-tech at prefrential terms from Israel. Europe has been peering askance at India, israek being her largest client. China made three trade visits to israel. Europe is loosing, not dealing with Israel. Israel has no need to be there, and can fend for herself. Israel cannot trust Europe.
Israel has reached the point it has always dreaded from 1948, the conflict with Hizbollah showed that despite vast technological advanatages the IDF could not defeat the guerilla based tactics of a fanatical muslim group. The true war is now a media war and unfortunatly in the sympathy war the muslims are winning.
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Israel has always been a controversy - not located in Asia or Europe, yet alligning both.
Israel is in Asia. Dick to the author of this article.

Already Israel is playing in European Football tournaments, and countries even farther into Asia as well. I had expected for some time now that Israel and other Asian countries will attempt to enter the EU. I swear, the only reason Turkey is being considered by the EU for membership is because of Constantinapole. Oh wait....
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Israel is in Asia. Dick to the author of this article.

Asia Minor. At a point where move one leg and your in Africa, take a dive and your in Europe. jerusalem is the centre not just of earth, but of Creation itself. If you fold up all the lands back together.. zoom outside the universe with a powerful telescope...you see it.
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Israel has reached the point it has always dreaded from 1948, the conflict with Hizbollah showed that despite vast technological advanatages the IDF could not defeat the guerilla based tactics of a fanatical muslim group. The true war is now a media war and unfortunatly in the sympathy war the muslims are winning.
Actually, israel did not lose against Hez...Condi lost it, by tieing up Israel's hands. While the soviets and US could not prevail guerelle tactics, even when they smashed residential enclaves where the terrorists hid, Israel refrained from targeting civilians, danced for condi, and still manages to ruin Lebanon, while maintaining her humanity.

True this is a media war: none of the Eurabian media remembered the war was started by an unprovoked, well planned, genocidal declaration, and the mass targetting of civilians, with the aid of lebanon, Syria and Iran, from 60 feet underground tunnels, filled with weapons enough for a major war. The media also made some big time intentional goofs by never reporting the terrorists in Lebaon kitchens and bedrooms, dishing out doctored photographs against israel and pro-Hez. But the media remembered to chant israel was using disproportionate power against her civilians targeted by a 1000 missile a day - thereby running away from mentioning Hezbollah: that is winning?! Hah! Only with Israel.

My conclusion: Israel won - Eurabia lost. Israel could have smashed three terror states, but played kool. And we know what would happen if israel lost a single battle the past 60 years. israel should not depend on anyone else with her survival - their agenda and israel's survival are mutually exclusive: the media is what their countries allow them to say. Wink, wink. Ve know all about it.
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Why Wyoming? Why not Nevada? Or any other state that doesnt ahve a high population? Why not just tell the current state of Irseal to actually let others into their government with FULL rights? Why not actually be the better nation and return to its original state in 1948? Like of whys and what ifs huh? Until Joe can understand that Israel is NOT just a Jewish state and region, its occupied BY MULTI groups for the last 10k years....

Forgotten is that the jews were offered large chunks of Queensland in Australia, and in Africa, lands larger, richer than israel, without being genocided all round by the Arabs. Also, they were offered great largess of commerce and sustainance. Fogotten is why Israel said, THANKS BUT NO THANKS.

Now if you wish to make countries follow your idea of multi-groups and non-racial laws, why not start with 55 islamic countries - that way, no one will see you as an antisemite singling out one nation. Of coz, you have justifications for all your attacks, and i don't even want to hear it.

Israel is the jewish homeland, and has no racial laws. She has never wanted to or occupied anyone else's lands in all her 4000 year history. You cannot admit that because you have a problem with jews - its called DENIAL.
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So you're suggesting we should move Israel to the North Atlantic?
No, Brainiac. Israel wins Euro song contests without moving away from her lands. Think, the long arm of the law?

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I think that'd certainly help the ME situation.
The M/E is ok. Bush is taking care of Iraq (instead of Europa), and Israel will take care of Iran (insead of Europa). But who's gonna take care of Europe, and why the sudden overtures of inviting Israel to help in what is fast becoming Eurostan...any bright ideas? if you really care about the M/E, then you should ask them - very nicely and in prostration stance - to please let you build some churches in Europe - or maybe march at your EU and show them how to count...2-state, 3-state, 4-state in palestine? Coz that's what's coming at you!
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Israel in Eurovision Song Contest. Wow the significance. Is rael is in Eurovision because Europeans will tolerate it.
Israel plays in European rounds for Football because Europeans will tolerate it. If Israel played in the Arabic rounds as they rightly should (since Israelis are Arabs, after all) - there would be serious blood-letting before, after and during every match.

This is what it is about. Europeans' toleration.

Israel is an irrelevancy.
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Israel in Eurovision Song Contest. Wow the significance. Is rael is in Eurovision because Europeans will tolerate it.
Israel plays in European rounds for Football because Europeans will tolerate it. If Israel played in the Arabic rounds as they rightly should (since Israelis are Arabs, after all) - there would be serious blood-letting before, after and during every match.

This is what it is about. Europeans' toleration.

Israel is an irrelevancy.
I wish that were true. Irrelevency, as in Yemen and micronesia, maybe? So how come over 70% of the UN Resos target Israel - with Europe's tollerating hand on the table? Last time I checked history - Europe was the most un-tollerable people in geo-history.

PS: Its Israel who tolerates Europe.

PS2: Jews predate the Arabs - so how can they be Arabs?

PS3: Brilliant you noticed Arabs won't play football with Jews. Go and tell Europe about it - I'm certain they'l be flabbergasted - if they don't chant, VE VERE NOT AVARE!
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Now if you wish to make countries follow your idea of multi-groups and non-racial laws, why not start with 55 islamic countries - that way, no one will see you as an antisemite singling out one nation. Of coz, you have justifications for all your attacks, and i don't even want to hear it.

And why should I?

I mean your the one saying that Israel is the beakon of light in that area of the world, right? I am not attacking anyone other then the Zionist radicals that want to keep that nation totally Jewish. I am not the one that keeps ramming OT this and OT that, even though it is all bull shit. Sorry, i have nothing against Jews what so ever. What i am against is the notion of a Jewish state and the idea that they think they have a history, when they never did....
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Actually, israel did not lose against Hez...Condi lost it, by tieing up Israel's hands. While the soviets and US could not prevail guerelle tactics, even when they smashed residential enclaves where the terrorists hid, Israel refrained from targeting civilians, danced for condi, and still manages to ruin Lebanon, while maintaining her humanity.

True this is a media war: none of the Eurabian media remembered the war was started by an unprovoked, well planned, genocidal declaration, and the mass targetting of civilians, with the aid of lebanon, Syria and Iran, from 60 feet underground tunnels, filled with weapons enough for a major war. The media also made some big time intentional goofs by never reporting the terrorists in Lebaon kitchens and bedrooms, dishing out doctored photographs against israel and pro-Hez. But the media remembered to chant israel was using disproportionate power against her civilians targeted by a 1000 missile a day - thereby running away from mentioning Hezbollah: that is winning?! Hah! Only with Israel.

My conclusion: Israel won - Eurabia lost. Israel could have smashed three terror states, but played kool. And we know what would happen if israel lost a single battle the past 60 years. israel should not depend on anyone else with her survival - their agenda and israel's survival are mutually exclusive: the media is what their countries allow them to say. Wink, wink. Ve know all about it.
The thing is, Israel already does depend on outside sources for survival. Without the US military aid it would eventually fall simply because of being so totally outnumbered. If it became an EU state (I doubt it ever will) or NATO (more likely but still I doubt it) the members of those supra national organisations would be bound by treaty to aid Israel when the inevitable Iranian Jihad comes.
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