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Old 02-09-2009, 12:08 AM
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Question Brain vs mind

If the brain is biological with electrical impulses, can anyoe tell me at what point does the impulses turn into thought? Is thought electrical or spiritual or both? Does thoughts come from the brain, from observable objects, from intuitive feelings, from knowledge...what?

If the mnd is a objective medium, is the heart a emotional medium and how does both understand each other? pljames
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:47 AM
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Science has no good answers there - so far, anyway
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Old 02-09-2009, 05:30 PM
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sort of as an analogy, the mind is a program running on the material brain. You don't get one without the other. Everything else is just wild unreasoned speculation.
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:59 AM
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The analogy you offer is mere speculation, Please recall, science does not work via casual analogy and it hasn't an answer for this question.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:57 AM
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How about human infant and boy/girl raise by wolf ..i agree above what your said..we are brain integrated complicate,i think our mind seem like random reaction to speculation.
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:34 AM
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Science has no good answers there but impulses has been translated now so we can read ur thoughts
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:53 PM
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The brain is an organ. A centralized organ which executes a lot of work, too complicated, no explanation yet.
When the question is too complicated, try a simpler question, till the point you can find an answer.
For example, find something less complicated than a Human Being's brain.
Take an insect, for example, an ant, or a butterfly.
Still cannot get any answer?
Take a plant. No brain, no centralized nervous system. But a plant can interact with its environnement. A plant "understands" light, the sun, the cold, humidity, a.s.o. Is there a mind there? Many say no, some say yes. None of us has any clue of what we are talking about. We simply don't know what we are searching.
Take a stone. No brain, no mind. Is that as good beginning? But there are some people around ready to believe that stars & galaxies "understand" their environnement, through the so-called "fields". Magnetic field, gravitational field. Without, again, having a clue of what they are talking about.
What is simpler than a stone?
A molecule, an atom, an electron, quark, photon. You are dealing with physics. Did you understand anything?
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:01 AM
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The brain is in the minds eye
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:31 PM
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Pretty silly michel - congrats~!
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Old 09-05-2009, 11:11 PM
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Question Mnd over matter. Mind and body=being

One mind one body equals me. What if we can mind talk to our body from our mind thinking that the body has a mind of it's own and healing what ails us? What if we are one giant mind! Each cell has a mind of its own yet works in unison with whatever energy needs it. Could it be that mind and conciousness comes before we are born? pljames

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Old 09-19-2009, 12:27 PM
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Re:Brain vs mind

Hi pljames,

Well,Although the conflict between evolution and creationism gets the most attention, it's little more than a philosophical side show because the arguments on behalf of creationism are so weak and because so many religious theists have found ways to reconcile their religion with evolutionary science. Proving the truth of evolution has too little impact any more. Where the real "action" will be in the coming years is with the debate over mind-brain dualism. Are our minds and consciousness products of our physical brains, or are they products of some immaterial force traditionally associated with or identified as a supernatural "soul"? Although the science is not yet as unequivocal as with biological evolution, the fact remains that all evidence points to our minds being purely physical and material; no reliable evidence points to any immaterial souls. As with evolution, though, this doesn't stop religious ideologues.

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Old 09-19-2009, 02:31 PM
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Science is never unequivocal, especially biololgical science. It deals with theories and observations, not laws and theorems. Observing that evidence speaks to material being is bloody obvious.

Evolution has nothing to do with this discussion and wasn't mentioned until your inappropriate addition. Stay on subject.
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Observing that evidence speaks to material being is bloody obvious.
To whom?

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Evolution has nothing to do with this discussion and wasn't mentioned until your inappropriate addition.
He was just making an analogy. Comparisons are quite appropriate tools to make one's point with.
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...the arguments on behalf of creationism are so weak and because so many religious theists have found ways to reconcile their religion with evolutionary science.
Can you please explain what those weak arguments are, and why it is weak because of reconciliation?

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Proving the truth of evolution has too little impact any more.
The debate is more about how it happens, rather than if it happens.

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Where the real "action" will be in the coming years is with the debate over mind-brain dualism. Are our minds and consciousness products of our physical brains, or are they products of some immaterial force traditionally associated with or identified as a supernatural "soul"?
Is there a third option, or do we only get two choices?

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Although the science is not yet as unequivocal as with biological evolution, the fact remains that all evidence points to our minds being purely physical and material;
What is so "unequivocal" about "biological evolution"? And are you absolutely sure that "all evidence points to our minds being purely physical and material"?

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...no reliable evidence points to any immaterial souls.
Perhaps not one in the traditional meaning of the word "soul". But do you think that negates the possibility of "immaterial" altogether?

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As with evolution, though, this doesn't stop religious ideologues.
Surely this is true.
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:10 AM
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Can you please explain what those weak arguments are, and why it is weak because of reconciliation?

It is not weak because of reconciliation. It just means that belief in evolution and belief in God are not incompatible. The arguments are weak because they are anthropomorphic. Nature is not mechanistic but mechanistic arguments using analogies like with a swiss watch and a jet plane have a designer so the universe must have one to. This is applying rules or limitations upon the universe according to what is true for humans and their behaviour.

The debate is more about how it happens, rather than if it happens.



Is there a third option, or do we only get two choices?

It is a yes or no choice and evolution is true.


What is so "unequivocal" about "biological evolution"?

scientific method is a very mighty tool and it proves biological evolution.

And are you absolutely sure that "all evidence points to our minds being purely physical and material"?

this is not unequivocal and there is a lot of debate on this. Try the book-"The Human Touch" by Michael Frynn for a fantastic discourse on this.

Perhaps not one in the traditional meaning of the word "soul". But do you think that negates the possibility of "immaterial" altogether?

It is not provable and the answer is metaphysical. The word limits what is describable and anything that is immaterial is also necessarily, metaphysical.

Surely this is true.
The proof is there for the finding but people will cling to what is a subjective truth for them for fear of embracing the unknown and evolving.
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