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Old 10-07-2008, 11:38 PM
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Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, and domestic terrorism.

Alaska Independence Party, a domestic Terrorist Organisation

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/arti...icleview/7531/


Here is a little history on the Alaska Independence Party. The Party was founded by an ultra-rightist gold miner, Joe Vogler in the 1970s with an "anti-American" platform. Palin has denounced those abroad in oil rich countries who "hate America." Joe Vogler hated America. He said in the 1970s, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I have no use for America or her damned institutions."

Later Vogler said that "the fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred of the US government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag....when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." He said this in an oral history interview at the University of Alaska in 1991, at which time Bill Ayers had rejected his own past and had become respectable. Two years later Vogler disappeared. A criminal subsequently confessed to murdering him in a conflict over the sale of plastic explosives (which may suggest terrorism).

Palin wanted Alaska made independent from the US

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-104510

“Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

After refraining from commenting on the charge for a day, the McCain campaign on Tuesday asserted that Palin was never a member of the AIP.

But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...ns_unamerican/

Are you Americans going to elect an intellectually challenged woman VP who was a member of the Alaska Independence Party which not only includes extremely anti-American militia groups, Christian Identity, White Supremacists, and Vogler, former AIP leader who conspired with Iran to denounce the USA before the United Nations. Iran sponsored his planned appearance. However, Vogler was murdered by a fellow AIP nutcase.

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Old 10-08-2008, 12:49 AM
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As much as I dislike Palin for this, I can not ignore the connections between Obama and Ayers. And the fact that this domestic terrorist is still out on the street.

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''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.
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The fact that Obama knew and was friends with Ayers before he even made these statements and stayed friends with him is my biggest problem.

Also the sheer fact that not only do we have to worry about Palins religious beliefs, but also Obama's. He says he wants same sex rights, but will not accept gay marriage rights. Also the fact that Obama is a 20 year friend with Rev. Wright. Sorry but if my friend ever talked like that fruit, he would of been left long ago as a friend. And if anyone tells you that this was a recent thing that is with Wright, has their head in the sand.

Another association is ACORN with Obama. I mean seriously, if you do not want a "intellectually challenged woman VP", do you want a leader that is irresponsible and associated with domestic terrorists like Ayers.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:56 AM
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...You do realise that if Obama gets in, they're less likely to continue terrorist acts, right?
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:03 AM
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You would be gullible to actually think that....
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...I'd be gullible... to think that having a direct influence on the American president... would make a person less likely to attack the government he's in charge of...?

Interesting.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:18 AM
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McCain will be an easy target because of his war advocacy, poke him in the ribs and he'll turn around and smack you in the mouth, he'll come looking for you in your own country and invade - then you go underground and fight the US's cumbersome military machine with geurilla warfare and terrorist activity. McCain is prone to war - he was born of it. A moderate like Obama is prone to assess first then decide before leaping.

If I were American I'd vote for Obama in a heart beat if the other choice were the maverick McCain and the dimwit Palin.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:30 AM
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McCain will be an easy target because of his war advocacy, poke him in the ribs and he'll turn around and smack you in the mouth, he'll come looking for you in your own country and invade - then you go underground and fight the US's cumbersome military machine with geurilla warfare and terrorist activity. McCain is prone to war - he was born of it. A moderate like Obama is prone to assess first then decide before leaping.

If I were American I'd vote for Obama in a heart beat if the other choice were the maverick McCain and the dimwit Palin.
Ya but how much broker than broke can they get? Another war? Myranmar perhaps?
They need to legalize ths and collect the income for the war effort...which of course they can't win. Except by orbital barrage.
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I don't put it past them, the majority are evangelists - very dangerous people. Crusaders will do anything in the name of God, it is God's country after all - at least they think so which puts God on their side. Damn that side choosing God of theirs.
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McCain will be an easy target because of his war advocacy, poke him in the ribs and he'll turn around and smack you in the mouth, he'll come looking for you in your own country and invade - then you go underground and fight the US's cumbersome military machine with geurilla warfare and terrorist activity. McCain is prone to war - he was born of it. A moderate like Obama is prone to assess first then decide before leaping.

If I were American I'd vote for Obama in a heart beat if the other choice were the maverick McCain and the dimwit Palin.
Yet here is Obama friends with a terrorist, hmmm and you think he is not a liability? Or friends with corrupt political leaders here in CHicago itself? I mean seriously even most Democrat voters here do not trust Obama. Sadly they will vote for him because they agree with the issues he views.
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...I'd be gullible... to think that having a direct influence on the American president... would make a person less likely to attack the government he's in charge of...?

Interesting.
Does the name Stalin or Hitler come to mind Lys? I mean look at his relations with Wright, a guy that would be willing to go against his own nation or citizens because of his wacked out thoughts.
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Yet here is Obama friends with a terrorist, hmmm and you think he is not a liability?
Bush's family had close ties with the Bin Laden's and yet your country voted that rich oil tycoon in didn't you?

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Or friends with corrupt political leaders here in CHicago itself?
What political leader isn't friends with corrupt people? Comes with the territory.

To answer this question I would say Nader. Perhaps you should vote for him - only one that isn't corrupt.

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I don't know anyone that trusts polititions except you, and even you don't trust all of them. Do you?

It's his views which are awesome, that's a pretty darn good reason to vote for a presidential candidate.
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Bush's family had close ties with the Bin Laden's and yet your country voted that rich oil tycoon in didn't you?
Not everyone in my nation did. Right?



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What political leader isn't friends with corrupt people? Comes with the territory.

To answer this question I would say Nader. Perhaps you should vote for him - only one that isn't corrupt.
Well....I do not know about Nader, but I have not seen anyone linked to him that is a domestic terrorist or is radically anti-american, unless you know someone he is linked to? On the national level I do not know many politicans that are not linked to corrupt people, though I have not seen Ron playing with corrupt or dangerous friends, do you? What about Bob Barr? Is he connected to any corrupt individuals? If so, I would like to know.
No, mostly its the city/county/region/state(sometimes)that you can find honest individuals. But they are usually chased away by the far left/right loons.



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I don't know anyone that trusts polititions except you, and even you don't trust all of them. Do you?
Did I ever say I trust any politican? Which by the way, so far I have not trusted any that i have seen run for office, totally anyways.

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It's his views which are awesome, that's a pretty darn good reason to vote for a presidential candidate.
His views are not awesome by me and millions of other Americans. In fact I find them as dangerous as you might find McCain or Bush's.
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Not everyone in my nation did. Right?
Right - only 49% of you did. 51% voted for Al Gore.

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Well....I do not know about Nader, but I have not seen anyone linked to him that is a domestic terrorist or is radically anti-american, unless you know someone he is linked to?
He's a shoe-in then - surely, he's the only politition in the US who doesn't know terrorists nor crooks personally.

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On the national level I do not know many politicans that are not linked to corrupt people, though I have not seen Ron playing with corrupt or dangerous friends, do you?
Well he did play with little Johnny in the sand box when he was three and Johnny was known by the teachers for stealing lunch's at the time. So Ron's out under your own requirements.

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What about Bob Barr? Is he connected to any corrupt individuals? If so, I would like to know.
I googled Bob Bar and came up with porn which starred Bob Bar - Bob Bar is a porn star dude, how could you even consider him? He is hung like a horse though.

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No, mostly its the city/county/region/state(sometimes)that you can find honest individuals.
Same in our country - grass roots politics allows for less greedy and needy polli's but you still get whole cultures of crooks owning towns and their polli's, lots of money to be made by owning a whole town.

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But they are usually chased away by the far left/right loons.
More hippy types in the country here too - up in dem dare hill's growin pot and makin moonshine - yeeeeeh hah.

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Did I ever say I trust any politican? Which by the way, so far I have not trusted any that i have seen run for office, totally anyways.
That's the point I was making - you don't trust Obama's connections and yet you don't trust any polititions anyway.

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His views are not awesome by me and millions of other Americans. In fact I find them as dangerous as you might find McCain or Bush's.
I must say that it is a scarey business to be in, one wrong move and you not only have the world breathing down your neck for it you also have your whole country blaming you. Also you get blamed for things that just happen and have nothing to do with you or your policies - tough under-paid business that one. I wouldn't want the job and I bet they wish they never got it either.

Ever notice how quickly a polititions hair goes grey and their face becomes drawn - bad juju.
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*French film legend-turned-activist Brigitte Bardot took a swipe at Sarah Palin on Tuesday, saying the US vice presidential candidate was a disgrace to women.

"I hope you lose these elections because that would be a victory for the world," Bardot wrote in an open letter to Republican John McCain's running mate in the November vote.

"By denying the responsibility of man in global warming, by advocating gun rights and making statements that are disconcertingly stupid, you are a disgrace to women and you alone represent a terrible threat, a true environmental catastrophe," wrote Bardot.

The screen icon from the 1960s, who now heads an animal rights foundation, went on to assail Palin for supporting Arctic oil exploration that could jeopardise delicate animal habitats and for dismissing measures to protect polar bears.

"This shows your total lack of responsibility, your inability to protect or simply respect animal life," Bardot wrote.

In a final salvo against Palin, the 74-year-old star picked up on the vice-presidential candidate's depiction of herself as a pitbull wearing lipstick and said she "implored" her not to compare herself to dogs.

"I know them well and I can assure you that no pitbull, no dog, nor any other animal for that matter is as dangerous as you are," Bardot wrote.*

Go Bridgett Bardot - wouldn't like to be Palin in a dark ally right now hey?
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This is wrong with this country people who can't make up there own minds and listen to rumors about someone because of his name and people he knew once in his life but let me break down the facts for people who is brain wash.It doesn't matter whether you like Obama or don't.Speaking the truth is what i care about most.First i would like to tell people out there who think obama is a muslim hes not.Hes and American.I've been hearing people saying hes muslim just like his father he never knew.But hes father wasn't a muslim either his dad was an atheist.Just because he have a muslim name.Well I have a muslim name Omar rasheed does that make me a muslim.i love this country more than anywhere else.So when someone attack a person because of his name is wrong..Now they are trying to tie him to bill ayers.bill ayers did this in the 1968 this was a time when they had protesting war and people hated government.He was more extreme with his protest on trying to blow up building.Obama was born august 4 1961.so he was 8 years old when bill ayers did what he did.Obama didn't meet bill ayers until he was 34 years old.remember this bill ayers turned his self in to the feds and turned his life around and became a teacher..He serve on a committee also with republicans so does that means those republicans are terrorist also.This does fly in my book.And they mite talk about obama pastor.Alot of pastor say alot of crazy stuff but if his pastor hated America so much why he fought in veitnam.We do have a freedom of speech.Its just like the kkk we can't shut them up when they say there rascist rants.And then theres mccain who put his wife out there talking about how dear Obama not fund her sone whose in Iraq.But she didn't tell the people that her husband also voted against funding the troop.Then there is mccain talking about the surge and its working.Well i'm going to say it the surge was just a smoke screen.did you know that the bush people bribe the insurgents not to fight each other and americans we are sending 800,000 a day to these insurgents this is tax payers money.How are we paying 10 billion of dollars a month in iraq.but nothing in our own country.Now i'm going to say this as loud as possible WE ARE NOT WINNING THIS WAR.And i tell you why Osama bin laden is still out there plotting to kill america.The world trade center was a financial building that was there plan to let america destroyed there self.Hitting the building and pulling us into a war then putting a tape saying the war on terror is in iraq.So he bated us in iraq.Myabe that he hated Saddam and saddam hated him and any terrorist who was caught in iraq would of get there head cut off.So we help bin laden get rid of his enemy.Do you notice bin laden comes out everytime theres and election to give the republicans boost to win the election knowing that they will stay in iraq to fight and let our finacial market goes down further.They won in my book they did there job what they said that they would of done.I'm going to make short on this sarah palin and her husband Hes don't believe in a womens right or equal pay.She charges rape victims for rape kits and restutuion.She also have a crazy pastor talking about witchcraft.so people could say i'm unpatriotic.But i am in Iraq fighting for our so call freedom so until someone is fighting in iraq like i am i have my right to speak my mind.. Lt.Omar Rasheed..
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