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Old 10-23-2009, 01:27 AM
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If there weren't an aether how do you account for the fact that light travels relative to a fixed point in space? I know we are traveling outword in a big bang, but outward movement must be subtracted from a basic movement of space from a fixed reference point. In the beginning space had to be moving several times faster than the speed of light and the faster anything moves the slower the time also, the more dense matter is the slower is time, light travels slower through a stronger gravitational field.

In my theory of x-y-z steps in a time-line universe mass ( the slowing of wave movement) is reduced in speed by the size of a ccwp. At the beginning of the big bang the universe was compacted into cube of tangled or crossed chains. The chains of steps falling into the collapse of the big bang will apply a great force (kinetic to potential energy) and the whole universe will spread outward with no loss of energy.

Outside of this univers is nothing not even dimension -- all distance, time and energy exist only within the time-line-loop. Virtual particles can only jump in and out of the energy of the time-line loop.

All dimensions come from a single point, like in a television set, and somehow has a back and forth movement in x, y and z directions. So far this is the magnetude of my reductionest theory -- I will look for reasons for the identity transfers from a single point. No theory has come this far in reductionism. Reductionism is a real thing look at chemistry, math and physics -- the first thing we do is reduce to simpler components -- this is all I am doing and it works.
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Old 10-23-2009, 03:02 PM
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Before the turn of the 20^th century the aether theory was the prevailing theory. It was expected that light is a wave traveling through a medium. This meant that if you traveled towards a light source the light would travel towards you at 186,000 mi/sec + your speed and when you moved the other way light would have a speed of 186,000 mi/sec. - your speed.

Michelson & Morley's experiments showed that the speed never varied, it was constant 186,000 mi/sec. Einstein showed that time slowed down -- the faster your speed the slower the time. Of course this ment that we are waves also and the waves are fixed to the medium. For instance if two observers, A and B, moved away from each other each clock would run at a different pace. It didn't seem to matter it was just relative, but it is important to know which clock is running slower than the other in physics.
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Old 10-28-2009, 04:31 PM
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I can't understand a univers without an aether. We all know that light is a wave and it can change speed when traveling through empty space and change speed when traveling through a field such as gravity. There has to be something special about that space or this wouldn't happen. As the world expands so does the speed of light in all relative directions -- why if its just empty space.

Scientists say the world is expanding -- what in creation is expanding? No talk of an aether it is taboo like in a primitive religion. There has to be a structure of space (an aether) that is modified as in a time-line so that one movement follows another and anything that moves has energy and is also matter. A gravitron is a particle related to quantum physics -- the question is why is it a particle and not a wavelet that dissipates. This is an unanswered question. Only time-line string theory could answer this by funneling movement into a wavelet.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:13 AM
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I like the idea of there being more than one dimension but how does a graviton explain another dimension? It may be that the aether is the reason for a leakage from one dimension to another. In relativity time leaks into the velocity of a accelerated object. In-line identity transferse (time-leaps) in a time-line would cause distance to curl because there in-line leaps along a path do not change the shape of the path -- no movement, no time. If the path has choice of movement it has time. Concentrating the path causes more choices of in-line movement. Impeding movement is what mass is and in-line movements cause mass.

Another way to increase mass is cross chain wave movements. The longer the chain the slower the movements due to the zig zag steps perpendicular to forward movement. There isn't any loss of energy -- time-line steps across the universal path do not stop and are the energy in the universe. On step is a unit of energy, distance and time -- they all are the same thing. This can be seen in a gravitational field if the field doesn't loose strength in the outward distance. A foot/lb is a unit of energy -- lift it another foot and it is 2 ft/lbs of energy. The split in energy, distance and time occur with acceleration. A step is movement and movement represents distance, energy and time.

The Kaluza Klien 5^th dimension represents gravity, electromagnetism is found by curling one dimension. If in-line identity transfers represent mass and gravity that curls distance and relativity curls time in a moving object what must be curled to make electromagnetism in a moving electron?

A moving electron has spins that cancel when not fixed to the speed of the observer. When moving forward the field is canceled if it travels against the forward velocity. This leaves only a forward spin like a propeller moving through air -- an electron has a left hand spin while a positron has a right hand spin. I contribute this to an x-y-z aether alignment of ether chains. A negative particle is a void in which chains fall in an x-y-z order into the void at the core of the electron causing the opposite spin from the Positron.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:28 AM
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Spin is caused by the diagonal screw x-y-z path through space and this causes virtual wave particles in space (+ and -) to swirl with circular lines of force. If an electron moves in a circle it will have a north and south pole with lines of force circling around and returning. Without an aether, virtual particles would not exist as their identity wouldent have any where to move as in and out of an aether to share existance. A wave is an identity of linear movement as opposed to random movement of the aether
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I found an interresting article in Science News ---------

http://www science news. org/view/generic id/ 48891/ title/ gamma ray observations_shrink_grain_size

From my understanding the scientist are starting with a paradym that heavier photons should travel slower that smaller photons like particles in heated water (Browian movement). The fact is that light always traveles at the same speed. They conjecture that the constraint on the speed of light is due to a wiggled path due to the graininess of space (frothy bubbles). This also fits Einstein's Special theory or relativity but gives a much smaller value for a Planck volume.

If you believe in the particle theory of light then light is a particle at all times and larger photons would have a higher MV (momentum) than smaller particles. This happens when photons eject electrons from matter.

This is an aether theory but doesn't explain why particles can be broken down into other quantum particles or why the particles are formed in the first place. Instead of a particle aether a superstring that bombards itself would explain the quantum effect and the formation of particles.
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:14 PM
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Sound in air is a particle wave in a medium. Air molecules have movmentum mv = k, a constant for a given temperature. Smaller molecules oscellate by impacting other particles and the distance before impact is larger for smaller particles. This also is true for larger particles such as photons -- they have shorter wavelengths.

Does Planck leaps occur in atoms or are they a property of space? Everything is composed of Planck leaps so this means it is a property of space. A wave in space is a compaction of the aether which leaves a void space and a this is a wave length and comes in Plank volumes of space acording to the size of the basic wavelengths in space. Only Plank volumes of space wavelets are available for propagation of light.

Everything in nature is a vacuum or pressure quantity in ambient space -- this is what energy and matter is. Doesn't this mean that space would have more mass than energy and matter? It should -- air has mass -- however in crossed chain wave theory time-line steps are frictionless like momentum in time. Mass is a resistance to motion and this happens in ccwp theory when chains are compacted resulting in an increase in inline time-leaps along the looped step path of our universe.

This means that dark matter is causes by in-line time-leaps along the looped step-path of our universe.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:43 AM
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If one holds to the view of the posssibility of the luminiferous ether then what and how many dimentions would be the minimum number to construct it so that no two of the same object can be in the same place in a string twice?
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
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If one holds to the view of the posssibility of the luminiferous ether then what and how many dimentions would be the minimum number to construct it so that no two of the same object can be in the same place in a string twice?
I suppose you mean "in the same place at the same time".
I think your question is circular. The definition of "same object" is defined by the place & time. An object is considered physically "the same" when it formes a unique entity placed in a single place at a specific time. Two objects separated by space at the same time are not considered as a single "same" entity. Only quantic entanglement seems to differ from this conception of what "the same" means, but entanglement has not been perfectly understood yet.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:50 PM
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About the aether.If it "exists", it must be expanding, isn't it?
See the raisin cake analogy,
(http://www.ucolick.org/~max/AY18.200...aisin_cake.htm)
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:23 AM
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Right Mike. There is something else I would like to explain. To move a ccwp forward it would have to have chains that are c - v in the forward direction and c + v in the reverse direction. Sounds strange but speed is an inverse function of the length of a chain.

(C - v) + (c + v) + 2c. The average speed is c. The energy of a ccwp traveling in the forward direction is ---- (c - v)^2 = c^2 - 2cv + v^2.
reverses direction is---- (c + v)^2 = c^2 +2cv + v^2

Notice that 2cv is removed from c^ + v^2 in the forward direction and installed in the reverse direction of c^2 + v^2. I know this seems odd but think of it this way when light is emitted from the same direction as the emitter is traveling in the emitter will lose energy -2cv -- when traveling towards the light it will absorb the energy 2cv. The results are the same but the reasoning is opposite. The value cv is the correct on as 2cv is for two directions. Odd way of looking at things but does it work?

The equation represents energy and in relativity E = mc^2 and the derivative of E is momentum mv. The value cv must also be related to momentum in ccwp theory. For every chain length over c the ccwp will have a higher value or mass and move slower. The speed of the chain is S = 1/E -- energy is the number of point leaps distance of the chain of a ccwp. The true energy is in all the point-leaps in the chain.

I'm not a mathematicial but if this is right it would explain why derivatives can give actual readings that fit nature. Nature is using derivatives in its mechanics.

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Old 11-09-2009, 12:12 AM
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Of course momentum would be in the forward direction and have the value cv in ccwp theory, the return is of course -cv. Energy is c^2 while momentum is cv and is smaller than c^2. C^2 is the total energy in a ccwp (points X points/row).

It is necessary for ccwp to travel faster than the speed of light in (+ or -) x,y,z directions. For instance using the formula S = (x^2 + y^2 + z^2)^1/2 the x,y,z directions of travel are longer than the diagonal but takes the same time as to travel the diagonal this means that the speed of light along the component directions is faster than the speed of light.

In special relativity light travels along a fixed point on space and because we are also waves that travel along a fixed medium we can't move any faster than the light signal. If you traveled at the speed of light you couldn't move or you would be moving faster than the waves that you are made of. This means time has slowed.

Does this mean that the crossed chain waves are getting larger? Not necessarily, adding directional vector steps does the same thing. An object has length, width and thickness and adding directional vector steps would add time and this makes a clock run slower -- the clock on the moving object will run slower due to time taken up by directional vectors that drive it forward.
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:51 AM
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It seems that special relativity and ccwp theory are doing the same thing. A ccwp of the right speed to travel at the speed of light will have c^2 number of points, a Planck volume will have millions of these wavelets. Ccwp's have various speeds that cancel and the Planck volume will not move. To move forward, cancel the returning ccwp waves and a wave propagation will occur from one cancelation to another (the x,y,z components direct the path through space). The energy lost is reformed by chance of vibrations of chains to mini wavelets in a stationary Plank volume. This seem to be the way bosons propagate. This is not what happens in a fermion as the last post explained -- ccwp's are added.
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As an object moves away from a fixed point on the aether a vector transformation occurs from random movement in the object into linear movement. This means that when traveling in the x-direction the y and z movements are reduced by c - v due to time delutions of more x steps. This fits Einstein's special theory of relativity and the increase in mass when accelerated.

I see a need for correction in ccwp theory in the above -- c - v is a smaller ccwp when an object travels forward, it is not due to the size of the ccwps in a photon -- it still is c. The forward movement c - v is relative to the moving object and the velocity vectors are not seen in the moving object. C of course in constant relative to the aether. In this way there isn't any violation to Special relativity.

Spin increases with speed while relativity shows a decrease in rotation of an object due to forward vector delutions -- there is a split phenomina here. This is where x,y,z diagonal movements across space causes spin -- the faster an object moves the greater the spin.

Of course all matter has random movements of smaller particles in its makeup -- this means the backward and forward movements cancel and no observable spin is noticed as in induction. Move the object forward and the reverse movements of particles in the object will be canceled by forward movements of the object. In this way a spin (according to the charge of the object) it will have either a right or left hand spin.
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Old 11-13-2009, 02:11 AM
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Positive particles have a right hand spin while a negative particle has a reverse spin -- neutrino's have either spin. The aether is filled with positive and negative fields that swirl driven by a rotating charge and this is spin. The 1/2 spin or whatever needs a good explanation. An example of spin was in one of the books I have read -- take a quarter fixed in position and rotate another quarter around the fixed one. If both start with washington's face upright then the rotated quarter will face upright in 1/2 turn and land upright in the final 1/2 turn.

The same thing can happen when 4 alternating north then south pole magnets are placed on a fixed plate and a bar magnet is rotated around the fixed magnets so that 1/2 way around the position of the bar magnet fields is the same as the start position.

Of course the spin of fermions is 1/2, 3/2, 5/2 --- and so on. I wonder if fluid dynamics could explain these spins? It seems like there is a fixed core with a fluid field that causes spin. If the core is a cube then 4 screws (x,y,z) run across opposite corners --two right hand thread and the other two left hand screws (z,y,x) alternatly positioned. There are 8 corners that are gear interlocked in the cube also The center of the face would have a vortex that is gear interlocked with all the others.

In ccwp theory at any given time two opposite faces come together while the other 4 faces move outward in sequence as ccwp probability fields move in and out. It seems this should lead to a fermions 1/2 spin?
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