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It’s enough to open the map and have a look at all the country around Palestine to
Know that it is Arabic country

And it’s enough to open the history of America to know who are the terrorists

And it’s enough to know that the pope representing 1.1 billion of Christians and
He must take care when he speak about other religions because he is now
((responsible)) and he must think twice before he move his lips

(( what I cannot understand is why he is walking like the previous pope, the previous
one was old, ill and weak, so his way of walking fit his condition but why the
new pope trying to mimic him???????? Well, if he don’t know how popes behave
act and speak, then he should leave his position to some one knows because if he
started to learn with walking, he needs long time to reach the “speaking”))
any way
And it’s enough to have a look about your posts to know that you are fool with
Empty mind has nothing to say but to go to one of the websites and “copy” then
“Paste” what ever you can reach, you have pasted here in two days more than what I posted in a year so

do you think the people here can’t reach such pages or I cannot reach pages attacking
Christianity or Jews or Hindus, or even atheists

I think we are here to share what we know, not what other says and some time we bring some examples from the net to back up our conversation
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FIRST, Your comment is totally absurd and shows your complete lack of knowledge of history.
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Itís enough to open the map and have a look at all the country around Palestine to
Know that it is Arabic country
First, You overlook the obvious, that both the Arabs and the Israelites are descendents of Abraham and have since that time both had their homelands in the middle east; to wit, the Israelites were given Palestine by the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael. Whereas, the remaining 98 percent of the land was taken by the Ishmaelites, the Arabs, so get real.

Second, Letís look at some facts. , Numbers 34:1-29 makes clear that the everlasting covenant and land grant was CLEARLY ONLY WITH ISRAEL THE DESCENDENTS OF ISAAC AS FOLLOWS, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:) 3 Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: 4 And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: 5 And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. 6 And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. 7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: 8 From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: 9 And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. 10 And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: 11 And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: 12 And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. 13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: 14 For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: 15 The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising. 16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 17 These are the names of the men which shall divide the land unto you: Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun. 18 And ye shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land by inheritance. 19 And the names of the men are these: Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh. 20 And of the tribe of the children of Simeon, Shemuel the son of Ammihud. 21 Of the tribe of Benjamin, Elidad the son of Chislon. 22 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Dan, Bukki the son of Jogli. 23 The prince of the children of Joseph, for the tribe of the children of Manasseh, Hanniel the son of Ephod. 24 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Ephraim, Kemuel the son of Shiphtan. 25 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Zebulun, Elizaphan the son of Parnach. 26 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Issachar, Paltiel the son of Azzan. 27 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Asher, Ahihud the son of Shelomi. 28 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Naphtali, Pedahel the son of Ammihud. 29 These are they whom the LORD commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan." (AV). So it is easy to see that their claims are just delusional and have no basis in fact, reality, the truth.

Thus as can clearly be seen, The first granting of title occurred around 1,500 B.C. when the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave land title to the ancient Hebrews, nation of Israel, to perpetuity in an everlasting covenant. Before that no one had title, but only possession of land; to wit, that was the beginning of land titlement. And this was by the highest possible authority of all, the creator of all there is, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the highest authority in the universe so his absolute right to grant title to whom he pleased is of course beyond challenge.

So why the argument over whom Palestine rightfully belongs today? Because many Ishmaelites, the greedy ones, want to destroy world peace and tranquility due to their greed for land that is NOT theirs. The Ishmaelites control over 98 percent of the middle east, and some are so greedy they do not want their brother tribe, the Hebrews, even to have the less than two (2) percent of the land that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave to them in perpetuity. This is the crux of the problem - GREED.

For more information, go to the following:

[1] Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9368

[2] Religion of Peace That Loves War: at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9365

[3] Islam Protest Hearing The Truth: at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9334

[4] Hypocrisy Of Religions That Claims to Be Peaceful But Permit Their Members to Promote at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9367

[5] Members of Islam Do NOT Want To Contend With The Wrongs Committed By Members of Islam at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9335

[6] Many Muslims Do NOT Respect Order of Law at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9369

[7] The Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs: at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9366

[8] Provocation and Evil by Islam, a Sampling From History and the Present: at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9332

SECOND, With respect the Pope, here is a quote of an article giving the facts which Muslims have been distorting:
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An interesting article by Leonard Pitts Jr. appearing on page 15A of the Wednesday 27,2006 edition of the Palm Beach Post entitled "Consider Pope's Point Proven," said, <<"...We are, for those of you who haven't been keeping count, up to the fourth clarification and/or expression of regret from Pope Benedict XVI for comments he made recently that inflamed much of the Islamic world. The apologias began with a Vatican statement issued 9/14 that said in part, "It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father...to hurt the feelings of Muslim believers."...

I'm not here to defend the Pope. The words that got him in trouble-they came from a speech about faith and reason at Regensburg University in Germany-were indeed ill-considered. ThePope quoted 14 th-century Byzantine Christian emperor Manuel II Paleologus as saying, "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Religious conversion at sword point is contrary to reason, said the Pope, and thus, contrary to God.

His use of the emperor's quote infuriated much of the Muslim world.[[They can not bear to hear the truth, a point I made in my article, "Islam Protest Hearing The Truth:" which can be read at, http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9334 or http://p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstrut...icID=218.topic [4 post down]]]. In Somalia, a...cleric...called for the Pope to be killed. In Iraq, a terrorist group vowed war against 'worshippers of the cross.' [[So much for Muslim's false claim in the United Kingdom that they believe in freedom of religion.]] In the West Bank, churches were firebombed.

...For all that, though, I've had my fill of papal genuflection. In the first place, clumsily framed as it was, Benedict's point was clear and unassailable; True religion and violence are mutually exclusive.[[See, "Provocation and Evil by Islam, a Sampling From History and the Present:", my article that can be found at, http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9332 or http://p078.ezboard.com/fyahwehstrut...ID=219.topic]].

In the second place, the violent response of some Muslims not only makes the Pope's point but also slanders their religion more effectively than some centuries-old quote ever could. What is the Arabic word for 'irony'?

Between this latest controversy and the rioting earlier this year over cartoon depictions of the Prophet Mohammed, there seems something pathetically reflexive about some Muslims' reaction to perceived religious insult. It's as if they are addicted to the faux power to be found in throwing a tantrum, threatening violence, demanding attention, forcing apologies.[[Where clearly none are deserved. Why? Muslims have for over 30 years been publishing particularly nasty depictions of Jews in their newspapers so why should they not expect the same in return?]].

Of course, faux power is, by definition, not real. Real power effects change. Faux power makes noise and changes nothing. When they behave like this, Muslims...highlight the difference-and the fact that they don't know the difference.

Ultimately, this latest episode speaks less to papal error than to the fact that Islam is being hijacked by ignorant thugs who use violence-both threatened and real-as a conduit to power. Not justice, power. And fake power at that. In the process, they make Islam...synonymous with bombings, beheadings and blood."
Says it all with respect to what the Pope said and the irrational insane reaction to it and truth on the part of Islam.[/quote]
He said nothing wrong, and the emperor he quoted said the truth. Go to the following and see the facts,

[1] India Taken by the Sword by Muslims From 10 Century On: at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9337

[2] Provocation and Evil by Islam, a Sampling From History and the Present:at http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9332

THIRD, I am attacking no one, but simply telling the truth, reality, that those who are in false religions are in denial of. Letís examine the matter a little.

I do not believe in any false doctrines and/or the groups that put them forth, so get real. I am a professional researcher and I dig out the facts, and present them. I am NOT out to bash anyone, but to expose purveyors of false doctrines such as Islam and the Roman Catholic church. Both are false religions.

Now what is a false religion? Look around you, are you not distressed about the many crimes committed in the name of religion? Doesn't are the terrorism, stupid warfare, and corruption perpetrated by those groups and individuals who claim to serve God (YHWH), creator of all there is, offend your sense of justice? Now the question is why is religion at the root of most of these problems?

Well simple, the root cause or fault does not lie with all religion, only with false religion. A well known and respected figure, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ, clearly showed that false religion only produces bad works, the same as a no-good tree only produces worthless fruit per Matthew 7:15-20, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Now look around at the fruit produced by two well known false religions, Islam and Catholicism.
First, let's deal with Catholicism, In 325 AD the greater part of the so called Christian faith went apostate to when the good favor of a pagan emperor, a worshipper of the Unconquered Sun. And this branch of apostate Christians went on to commit many atrocities such as the rape of Goa, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the burning of individuals at the stake for disagreeing with them including one Bruno for simply saying that the earth revolved around the sun; whereas, they said the sun revolved around the earth." Many hold wrong opinions of ALL Christians. Why? Because they have generalized the actions and wrongs of the first group and incorrectly applied them to genuine footstep followers of Christ also.

To understand the errors of Catholicism by one example, go to:

http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi...5992922&page=1

The Weekend Australian (newspaper) had to say on the matter,
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" Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other?
Islam is intolerant of other religions, so much so that Christians in Nigeria, Sudan and middle eastern countries are killed for practicing their religion. Muslims are also responsible for burning down their churches. Sydney has recently seen an attack on four churches for similar reasons. (December 16, 2005) How can we tolerate such intolerance?" [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005]
Says it all, so clearly Islam should be redefined as something other than a religion. So it is very necessary that this greed and hate be addressed. Remember, Matthew 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

Let's consider the facts as continually revealed in the world news that shows if any thing that the newspaper editor may have been a little low when he said 95 percent of the violence in the world was caused by Muslims. Here are some instances of terrorism by members of Islam:

(1) World Trade Center - 9/11 - unprovoked attack and mass murder by Muslims.
(2) London Subway Bombing by Muslims
(3) Continued mosque bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(4) Suicide bombings in Israel by Muslims.
(5) Suicide bombing of a wedding reception in Jordan by Muslims.
(6) Daily roadside bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(7) Train bombings in Spain my Muslims.
(8) Riots and car burnings and murders in France by Muslims.
(9) Suicide bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(10) Car and truck bombings in Iraq by Muslims.
(11) Unprovoked murder of 8 Israelis and the kidnapping of 2 by Muslims to provoke turmoil and violence in Lebanon and Israel by Muslims.
(12) Unprovoked murder of 2 Israelis and the kidnapping of 1 by Muslims to provoke turmoil and violence in Gaza by Muslims.
(13) Bombing of restaurants and cafes in Bali, Indonesia by Muslims.
(14) Bombing of a trains in India by Muslims.
(15) Take over of a grammar school in Russia resulting in the deaths of many students by Muslims.
(16) Attempted shoebombing of a plain by a Muslim.
(17) Conspiracy to bomb about 10 planes going from UK by Muslims.
(18) Attempted murder of several Indian politicians in Kashmir by Muslims.
(19) Many violent acts by Muslims in Afghanistan.
(20) Murder of a girl by Shiite Muslims in Iran.
(21) Conspiracy to bomb trains in Germany - as previously posted for you.
(22) And the list could go on and on, get it

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Well, I think you know nothing about the history because god didn’t give Jewish any thing but UK when it was occupying Palestine, and they give it to them by force so
Unless your god is the UK you are totally wrong



The pope took his article from a book include insults to our prophet, he might didn’t
Mention the insults but it’s the same book, and he should thing that in some places
There might be extremest muslims who when they listen to his statement will start to
Attack the Christians so, any one killed or any one injured it’s because of him not
Because of muslims because the action comes first then the reaction, so if he has mind
Or if he is responsible he should first think about the consequence of his action not to
Do his foolish act and blame the fool about their action


Our Islam based on two things
I_ qur’an
II_ Muhammad speeches

So find where these two referring that one should bomb himself and I’ll agree with you that Islam is wrong
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You are in error. Jewish history started about 2,000 BC with Abraham just as did Arab history, and this was 1,000s of years before the UK so get real. You are stuck in a time warp.

Look at Numbers 34:1-29 makes clear that the everlasting covenant and land grant was CLEARLY ONLY WITH ISRAEL THE DESCENDENTS OF ISAAC AS FOLLOWS, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:) 3 Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: 4 And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: 5 And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. 6 And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. 7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: 8 From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: 9 And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. 10 And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: 11 And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: 12 And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. 13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: 14 For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: 15 The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising. 16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 17 These are the names of the men which shall divide the land unto you: Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun. 18 And ye shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land by inheritance. 19 And the names of the men are these: Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh. 20 And of the tribe of the children of Simeon, Shemuel the son of Ammihud. 21 Of the tribe of Benjamin, Elidad the son of Chislon. 22 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Dan, Bukki the son of Jogli. 23 The prince of the children of Joseph, for the tribe of the children of Manasseh, Hanniel the son of Ephod. 24 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Ephraim, Kemuel the son of Shiphtan. 25 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Zebulun, Elizaphan the son of Parnach. 26 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Issachar, Paltiel the son of Azzan. 27 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Asher, Ahihud the son of Shelomi. 28 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Naphtali, Pedahel the son of Ammihud. 29 These are they whom the LORD commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan." (AV). So it is easy to see that their claims are just delusional and have no basis in fact, reality, the truth.

Thus as can clearly be seen, The first granting of title occurred around 1,500 B.C. when the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave land title to the ancient Hebrews, nation of Israel, to perpetuity in an everlasting covenant. Before that no one had title, but only possession of land; to wit, that was the beginning of land titlement. And this was by the highest possible authority of all, the creator of all there is, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the highest authority in the universe so his absolute right to grant title to whom he pleased is of course beyond challenge.

So why the argument over whom Palestine rightfully belongs today? Because many Ishmaelites, the greedy ones, want to destroy world peace and tranquility due to their greed for land that is NOT theirs. The Ishmaelites control over 98 percent of the middle east, and some are so greedy they do not want their brother tribe, the Hebrews, even to have the less than two (2) percent of the land that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave to them in perpetuity. This is the crux of the problem - GREED.

Note, the book of Numbers was written about 1,473 BC, 1,000's of years before the UK.

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You are in error. Jewish history started about 2,000 BC with Abraham just as did Arab history, and this was 1,000s of years before the UK so get real. You are stuck in a time warp.

Look at Numbers 34:1-29 makes clear that the everlasting covenant and land grant was CLEARLY ONLY WITH ISRAEL THE DESCENDENTS OF ISAAC AS FOLLOWS, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof 3 Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward: 4 And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon: 5 And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea. 6 And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border. 7 And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor: 8 From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad: 9 And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border. 10 And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham: 11 And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward: 12 And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about. 13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe: 14 For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance: 15 The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising. 16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 17 These are the names of the men which shall divide the land unto you: Eleazar the priest, and Joshua the son of Nun. 18 And ye shall take one prince of every tribe, to divide the land by inheritance. 19 And the names of the men are these: Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh. 20 And of the tribe of the children of Simeon, Shemuel the son of Ammihud. 21 Of the tribe of Benjamin, Elidad the son of Chislon. 22 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Dan, Bukki the son of Jogli. 23 The prince of the children of Joseph, for the tribe of the children of Manasseh, Hanniel the son of Ephod. 24 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Ephraim, Kemuel the son of Shiphtan. 25 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Zebulun, Elizaphan the son of Parnach. 26 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Issachar, Paltiel the son of Azzan. 27 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Asher, Ahihud the son of Shelomi. 28 And the prince of the tribe of the children of Naphtali, Pedahel the son of Ammihud. 29 These are they whom the LORD commanded to divide the inheritance unto the children of Israel in the land of Canaan." (AV). So it is easy to see that their claims are just delusional and have no basis in fact, reality, the truth.

Thus as can clearly be seen, The first granting of title occurred around 1,500 B.C. when the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave land title to the ancient Hebrews, nation of Israel, to perpetuity in an everlasting covenant. Before that no one had title, but only possession of land; to wit, that was the beginning of land titlement. And this was by the highest possible authority of all, the creator of all there is, the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the highest authority in the universe so his absolute right to grant title to whom he pleased is of course beyond challenge.

So why the argument over whom Palestine rightfully belongs today? Because many Ishmaelites, the greedy ones, want to destroy world peace and tranquility due to their greed for land that is NOT theirs. The Ishmaelites control over 98 percent of the middle east, and some are so greedy they do not want their brother tribe, the Hebrews, even to have the less than two (2) percent of the land that the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael gave to them in perpetuity. This is the crux of the problem - GREED.

Note, the book of Numbers was written about 1,473 BC, 1,000's of years before the UK.

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they change it and re wrote it
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You are unaware it seems of the fact that the Bible is NOT a Jewish book as its author is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael. Now here are some facts on it.

You are obviously unaware of the fact that the Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.


To wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas; and the Quran,

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You are unaware it seems of the fact that the Bible is NOT a Jewish book as its author is the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael. Now here are some facts on it.

You are obviously unaware of the fact that the Bible is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.


To wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas; and the Quran,

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the bibal was writen 250 years after Jesus so can you tell me where it was
all this time hiding ???????
how the same bibal became hundreds, and why the christians wrote all that
numbers
how the church chose some and throw the other although the others are
bibals as well
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Still in a time warp I see and believing all the BS the Imam's tell you.

The Bible started to be written in 1,513 BC and was finished in 98 AD, so get real.

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Still in a time warp I see and believing all the BS the Imam's tell you.

The Bible started to be written in 1,513 BC and was finished in 98 AD, so get real.

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I don't think it is the answers to my questions is it

ok now you can use the net if you know no shit
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Still in a time warp I see as you failed to realize I have shown you wrong with respect when the Bible was written. Wake up to reality.

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Still in a time warp I see as you failed to realize I have shown you wrong with respect when the Bible was written. Wake up to reality.

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Ok iris, I'm going to bed now, you are too boring than what I expected



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Have a good sleep, then please wake up to reality.

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The Arabs have no evidence of being descendents of Ishmael, who's lineage was not seen after 300 years. The Arab race came after Greece conquered Persia, 2500 years ago. The lineage is assumed only because of a generic terrain, eg: anyone living in the M/E is an Arab, and thus from Abraham.

The Moabites, for example, were not of Abraham, though they lived in what is Jordan today. The Arabs call themselves Palestinians - but when even recent history is traced - they are the very antithesis of that name. A true descendent of Abraham would never live for the destruction of Jews - not when he strived with Heaven to save even the most evil nation of Sodom - the Arabs thus represent the oppositte of everything Abraham stood for, and circumsizing themselves is not sufficient here.

The Arabs will be judged how they act with the Zionists. When the Arabs speak of not being against Jews, while touting the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel - they, like all others, are lieing from every cell of their beings. All humans know what they mean, and why they make such demands.


MOSES (pbuh) was the First Zionist - his entire life's vocation was battling the nations who had the same Arab obsession as of those today.
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