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Old 09-30-2006, 07:05 PM
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Worshipers of False Gods Are Irrational

Worshipers of False Gods Are Irrational

INTRODUCTION:

The hypothesis is that worshippers through the ages are extremely irrational based on how worshippers of false gods reacted as recorded in 1 Kings 18:21-29, "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men.
23 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under:
24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
26 And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29 And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

This hypothesis will be proven and/or disproved by contrasting how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a very provocative cartoons with how worshippers of false god(s) such as the old middle eastern Moon god act as to whether they act irrationally or rationally. This hypothesis will be proven by actual reactions of the two groups to provocative cartoons.

REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF TRUE GOD (YHWH) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:

Let's look at how worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article:
<<"Muslim cartoon provokes fury among UK Jews
By Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Published: 05 February 2006
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
An anti-Semitic cartoon in a Muslim paper, which depicts Israel's acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, as a hook-nosed figure wearing a giant Star of David, last night drew protests from MPs and Jewish groups.
For days, Muslims across the world have been protesting about European newspapers that published drawings showing the Prophet Mohamed. One MP accused the editors of hypocrisy.
Yesterday a newspaper published cartoons that Jewish groups say they find offensive, and US generals protested about a cartoon in the Washington Post. It showed Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary, beside a limbless soldier, but the generals said, on behalf of the normally robust Mr Rumsfeld, that the drawing was "tasteless".
The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people. I sympathise with the Muslim complaints about the cartoon that appeared in Denmark, but it is hypocritical to publish a cartoon like this."
Mr Dismore hinted that if the the paper does not promise to stop carrying artwork of that type he would make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The cartoon, which appeared in last week's edition of the current affairs publication, shows world leaders, including President George Bush, President Jacques Chirac, Tony Blair and Iran's new President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and a caricature of an Israeli figure meant to represent Mr Olmert. The caption reads: "The nuclear club (US, UK, France and Israel) is angry for Iran's attempt to enter the nuclear market."
A spokesman for the Muslim Weekly said the cartoon was an "evocative" caricature, not intended to offend or be "stereotypical". He said: "It's a caricature so that's the whole point of it. It's a depiction, a portrayal. If he feels it is anti-Semitic we will try to reach common ground."
Jewish groups have complained about previous cartoon portrayals of Jews that appear in the Arab press. They include a depiction in 2002 of the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak as Hitler, with his hands dripping with blood. Another shows a Jewish devil with a huge hooked nose haranguing the Pope. The Pope says: "Peace on earth" and the Jew replies: "Colonies on earth."
Cartoonists are defending their right to lampoon public and religious figures, even the prophet Mohamed. Dave Brown, of The Independent, said: "If there was some important strong, valid point which would have necessitated the drawing of Mohamed, then fine. The one with the turban in the shape of a bomb: the only point it makes is that all Muslims are terrorists, which is crass, stupid and objectionable."
Ralph Steadman said: "I can draw whatever comes into my mind if whatever comes into my mind is legitimate. If it does not incite violence or cause people to get hurt or endangered, I can produce that drawing and make it what it is."
[source - The Online Edition Independent, Sunday 05/2006]">>

The rational reaction to these provocative anti-Jewish cartoons was rational. Why? Because the Jews are worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham even though they were not always faithful to him. The reaction can be summarized as follows, <<" The latest cartoon row centres on the British paper Muslim Weekly. Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, said the cartoon was "obscene" and in terribly "bad taste", and has now made a formal complaint to the paper. He added: "This cartoon depicts people in the most obscene fashion, reminiscent of Die Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda sheet. It denigrates and incites hatred towards Jewish people.">>. As can be seen the reaction was one of rational people, and not an irrational reaction such as the reaction of 1 Kings 18:27-29, " And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
28 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." (AV).

REACTION OF WORSHIPPERS OF FALSE GOD(S) TO PROVOCATIVE CARTOONS:

Let's look at how worshippers of false god(s), such as the old middle eastern Moon god, react to a series of provocative cartoon meant to anger and provoke them as shown by a newspaper article. We will look at several newspaper accounts of their reactions:

First, <<" DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers. The protest marked an escalation in the Muslim world's uproar over the cartoons, which have been reprinted in a number of European publications. One depicted Prophet Mohammad wearing a turban resembling a bomb. The fire badly damaged the Danish embassy's building, a Reuters witness said. Firefighters put out the blaze.
[source - Embassies torched as cartoon furor grows by Reuters]">>

Second, <<"'Cartoons Infused Muslims With a Spirit of Defiance'
Arab News
JEDDAH, 4 February 2006 - An influential imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah proclaimed a new spirit of defiance among Muslims after worldwide protests over cartoons denigrating the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in European newspapers.
"A great new spirit is flowing through the body of the Islamic Ummah... The world can no longer ignore this Ummah and its feelings," Saleh Bin-Humaid said while delivering his Friday sermon.
"The nation has worked hard in support of its Prophet Muhammad in recent days. It is the right of every Muslim to show joy at this defense of our beloved Prophet," he told hundreds of thousands of faithful who packed the Grand Mosque.
Bin-Humaid commended the leading role played by Saudi Arabia in campaigns protesting the provocative cartoons. The Kingdom withdrew its ambassador to Denmark, saying the government had not done enough to assuage anger over the cartoons published last September in the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.
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Flemish newspapers yesterday printed a slew of cartoons of the Prophet, including those published by Jyllands-Posten. "Right for Satire," said a front-page headline in Het Nieuwsblad. An editorial in the newspaper called the outcry over the cartoons an attack on freedom of expression.
[source - Arab News - The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily]">>

Third, <<" Syria voices regret over embassy attacks
DAMASCUS - Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions in Damascus by angry mobs protesting at cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. Crowds stormed the buildings housing two embassies on Saturday, setting fire to both and pillaging the contents of the first-floor office of the Chilean embassy in one of the buildings. "The foreign ministry expresses its regret over the acts of violence which accompanied the protests yesterday, which caused damage to embassies in Damascus," the ministry said in a statement.
[source - AFP via Yahoo! News on 02/05/2006]">>

Fourth, <<" BEIRUT, Lebanon - Thousands of Muslims rampaged Sunday in Beirut, setting fire to the Danish Embassy, burning Danish flags and lobbing stones at a Maronite Catholic church as violent protests over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad spread from neighboring Syria. Troops fired bullets into the air and used tear gas and water cannons to push the crowds back after a small group of Islamic extremists tried to break through the security barrier outside the embassy. Flames and smoke billowed from the building. Security officials said at least 30 people were injured.
[source - Associated Press 12:00 AM, 02/05/2006]">>

These newspaper accounts speak for themselves with respect to the very irrational reaction of worshippers of the old middle eastern Moon god. The worshippers of this false god are attacking even individuals and groups, such as the Maronite Catholic church that have absolutely NO connection to the provocative cartoons they are objecting to.

CONCLUSION:

The very irrational acts and reactions of false god(s) of ancient times as shown in 1 Kings 18:21-29, previously quoted, and the present day very irrational acts and reactions clearly prove the hypothesis that worshippers of false god(s) do NOT react rational. Even over thousands of years, worshippers of false god(s) remain the same; to wit, reacting very irrational to the slightest provocation.

Whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not react irrationally to the slightest provocation even though it is the exact same type of provocative thing, i.e., provocative cartoons. Clearly there is a major difference in the reactions of the two groups. The worshippers of false god(s) react violently and very irrationally; whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) react very rationally.

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Old 10-01-2006, 04:36 AM
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Whereas, the worshippers of the true God (YHWH) of Abraham do not react irrationally to the slightest provocation even though it is the exact same type of provocative thing, i.e., provocative cartoons.
The worshippers of the truth God yes but the followers of the god of Israel ( THE MONEY ) always act racionnaly - they need the whole god of the world.
See ADL actions if you doubt.
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The worshippers of the truth God yes but the followers of the god of Israel ( THE MONEY ) always act racionnaly - they need the whole god of the world.
See ADL actions if you doubt.

Yes sir - they paid money to steal all your Nobels too. The price was 30 barrels of oil per Nobel prize.
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Worshipers of False Gods Are Irrational
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For information on the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, the creator of all there is, go to:

http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi...ead=1141753369

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alternatively, just make it up.
Have faith, you can create as good a god as those old buggers!
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Making up gods such as the mythical old middle eastern celestial Moon god, "Allah," and his three daughter goddesses is the problem, and NOT the solution.

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Or making up a god that consists of a bicious bastard, a total woose and an airy-fairy ghosty is also a problem - it's your problem, I think, you turd.
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Hi Symptom777

What is your problem???????????????????????

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alternatively, just make it up.
Have faith, you can create as good a god as those old buggers!
Well, one can surmise that by subsequence, even the old buggers were disillussioned. For sure, if the article below - negating the NT's fulcrum premise, and which is an article by christian scholars, has any credence - it knocks down Islam first and foremost - by subsequence: Islam concurs with many things of the NT, so with one director's cut - both become fiction. Does it subsequently do the same with the OT? This is absolutely unwarranted - at least, by the subsequence criteria.

There is 2000 years of arm's length history here, with historical writings as a follow-up, cross-reference inter-nation backup - and detailed stats and specs which is different from christian-islamist style writings - different in both kind and degree, aside from period. Also, the article evidences, without dispute, a source point of the NT premise - which is derived not from the OT, but from its precedent Hellenist history. IOW, the OT can only be argued against by other counter evidences, not by the subsequence factor; this article impacts only on christian-islamic scriptures - not on the old buggers.




The Pagan Origins of Jesus Christ
Were there Christs before Christ?

In a word, yes.

Before Jesus, there were other savior figures whose myths inspired entire religions. The legends of these pagan "savior gods" (such as Attis, Mithras, Horus and Osiris) were clearly in circulation long before Jesus is said to have lived.

In this clip from The God Who Wasn't There, Jesus Seminar fellow Robert M. Price tells us the excuse that early church fathers offered for this very inconvenient fact. Price is a former fundamentalist Christian who, upon investigating his religion in seminary, became convinced that Jesus Christ most likely did not exist at all.

Discover the facts for yourself. See the movie that Newsweek says "irreverently lays out the case that Jesus Christ never existed."

The DVD of this illuminating film is available now.



http://www.thegodmovie.com/pagan/
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See the movie that Newsweek says "irreverently lays out the case that Jesus Christ never existed." [/url]
First you paid 30 silvers to kill Jesus and today you are paying 30,000 silvers to cover up: to proof that the victim did not existed.
I afraid it will not cover up your crime. Billions of people knew who kill him and what he teached.
So you are sinking money in this crime.
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What is your problem???????????????????????

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I afraid it will not cover up your crime. Billions of people knew who kill him and what he teached.
Billions thought the earth flat once. If Jews killed him, they would tell it in their writings, and dont need europeans to tell their history - they know how to write before you, and have always written truth. Jewish scripture is never candy-coated, and all bad things are listed. This is true even while you cling to a second-hand, secondary charge, and omit the Roman massacre - of 1.5 Million Jews: is it listed in your scripture?

Also, Jews are not responsible for any other falsehoods you believe: he was not a christian, his name was not Jesus, and his language was not aramaic.

TO COVER ONE LIE - A 1000 TRUTHS MUST BE COVERED.
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You have failed to prove anything. You have not shown how being "rational" has any link to any god. You have failed to show how being irrational has any link to phalse gods. All you've done is SAY "My god is true because I chose to be rational when someone tried to offend me"....

You are an atheist almost as much as I am. I believe in one less god than you. When you realize why you reject all other possible gods, you'll realize why I reject yours as well.

Now, without quoting the bible or copy and pasting a 3 page diatribe, prove your god exists. You've made the positive claim that your true god (YHWH) exists, burrden of proof falls on those making the positive claim.
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Now, without quoting the bible or copy and pasting a 3 page diatribe, prove your god exists. .

First 'PROVE' your Random Deity exists. What's his size, age and skin color?
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