Well if I have to cut the grass or run for an hour or drive to work its a great way to listen then but you have to have repose time to reflect generally. Let me tell you something. Meditation flows out of sustained concentration. When you are successful at concentration and open your eyes and again move about in the world, your eyes are like 'little vacuum cleaners.' They suck in everything there is with great delight. Before unwinding the aura it is a big fat cloudy mess and like the rest of the world I can relate to the famous Client Eastwood expression 'Go ahead. Make my day. Just make one more change.......' You don't want to see or hear another person but want to relax at the end of the day and unwind. But the exact opposite happens from successful concentration. You cannot get enough enjoyment from your senses and that is why after concentration practice everyone wants to talk to you because you are so open and listen (Suck in everything they say). They wonder where you got that sparkle in your eyes. Little children walk right up to you because they know 'where' you are in consciousness. Normally sleep is the cleanser of the subconscious (right cerebral hemisphere). When we go to sleep at night and dream, we digest the experiences of the day. We make sense of those experiences with all other experiences we have had in this and every other life. So when we wake up the blackboard of our subconscious is erased/clean and ready for fresh imput. But successful concentration does an even more dramatic job of cleansing the subconscious (clearing out your aura). Sleep and dream are the way normal people evolve by digesting the experiences of the day. That is why we were born - to experience and evolve so as to recollect our Almighty Identity. Yoga discusses these things normally in terms of the ida and pingala currents, astral plane and evolution (recollection) of jiva (bound soul/ego-mind). The soul is the experiencer. The mind simply captures conceptions of such experiences - stuffs them into words in the subconscious. The soul moves through the subconscious because the conscious mind is simply too clunky beacause it has to deal with words. Alright, I don't want to short change you. The classical debate is this: Which is more holy? To meditate in a cave or to perform selfless service in the world (from which penance is had from 'right action')? But my answer would astound those who study its implications. Hatha yoga, pranayama breathing exercise, especially concentration and meditation and chanting AUM audibly in long drones with purified nadies - ALL erase bad karma to a certain extent. That is like telling you that stretching your body doing hatha yoga is a means to forgiveness of sin. How can such a thing be? But it is believe it or not. You cannot erase them entirely but you definitely lessen their impact when you must face them later in this life, the after life or next life. Selfless service/action also lessens karmic burden however also. There is a huge difference between scholars looking in and actual practitioners. What I say is not particularly logical but from practice of the above said things a certain point can be reached where you realize what I say is true nevertheless. Don't get carried away with asceticism. I have done lots of it but its value is limited. The whole purpose of asceticism is the same purpose as ALL religious activity. It is the increase your willpower so as to be able to control your mind with such will so as to be able to turn inward with concentration. Yoga has no monopoly on God but it IS the most direct route to God potentially. When a Christian or whoever else can only think of God they achieve the same thing a yogi does deliberately. They achieve the necessary 1-pointed concentration that results in samahdi. The object of concentration is irrelevant. You could use a pencil just as well as a picture of your favorite spiritual image. It is the concentration that is important. Not the dogma/religion/image used to achieve it. When you practice selfless action you build willpower. When you practice hatha yoga, pranayama and concentration leading to meditation it takes will power. ALL these are spiritual activities for the single purpose of detaching the mind from that which it is aware of for concentration leading to samadhi. The yogi knows this directly. People in religions do not know - to them they do not lie because Moses said so. They do it because they have faith/do not understand the benefits they receive/purpose of such spiritual action. And that is the world in the nutshell. The world is ignorant living in maya attached to things and conditions in the world that come and go and they suffer for it. They all have their nose pinned to the wheel of karma/birth and death. The whole purpose of renunciation/ascetism is to build will to use to control the mind for concentration. Detachment is detachment of our consciousness/awareness from thoughts in the mind and senses. This enables awareness to turn inward on itself to discover its true Almighty Identity. At that time Freedom is found. Freedom is freedom FROM THE UNIVERSE and since the mind is part of the universe that means freedom from the mind/desires that enslave you to the world in maya. I am not familiar with Sacred Feminine but I went to Catholic Church's for years and personally knew a Eurcharistic Minister for a long time. You're probably the only one on all the forums actually participating in anything that resembles any kind of a spiritual discussion at this time.
Quick reply Now we are getting somewhere, who knew all it would take was an adjustment in language or/of my words. Try to get back fully tomorrow, that is if i find anything to say or ask. But please do expand on Almighty Identity and maya, i feel there should be a capital letter at its beginning. And (if you have reference) what does a cloudy grey/green aura with pink inflections or infractions represent for you or your peoples combined revalent relativity? And my Sacred Feminine is Clean. 'Blasphemy your problem not mine.'
Almighty Identity as in that God created man in His own Essence does not mean God has 2 arms, 2 legs and an ego-mind etc. Just like water in a raindrop is H20 as it is in the ocean, raindrop is to ocean what souls are to God. The universe comes and goes but we were never born and cannot die. It is the universe that is changing. The ego and mind belong to the universe as subtle matter. Subtle matter is much like software in a computer. You don't ask 'where the software is' normally or in cyberspace on the web it is even less signifcant 'where' this conversation is exactly. Subtle matter occupies the same space at the same time as gross physical matter. This should not be too surprising since gravity and the other forces of nature penetrate all matter as well. The aura is a rather complex subject and it is not particularly useful to talk about it unless it is with someone else that can perceive them. I am not an expert on such things (Like Satguru Subramunia who gave his students a daily 'aura inspection') but if you are depressed you aura is dark gray. You face is 'clouded'. When you are angry there is a lot of red. Jealous green. When you are studying something intellectually it is yellow and when a saint or yogi is in rapture it is a pure blue. Artists paint the auras of saints and babies with a halo for good reason. Their auras are beautiful and clear. Their auras stand out while the rest of the world has their awareness stuck in their mind and is generally a big fat mess - messiest at the end of their work day when all they want to do is go home and sleep and cleanest after sleep for ordinary people. But people who can concentrate 'heat up' their auras and cleanse it. Since their aura is clear even little children walk right up to them smiling even though they are strangers because the child can 'see' where they are in consciousness. You have heard the expression 'he looked right through me' - that goes 10-fold for someone who has the ability to concentrate. And that is precisely how they can read other people's minds. Its not that I go snooping around. Its that people broadcast them. Animals follow me around after concentration (only concentration leads to meditation). They also can 'see' I don't have a clouded aura and can 'read' me/tell where I am in consciousness (and therefore know I represent no threat tot them.) Thats why some animals attack also. A dog may 'read' the fear in your aura. People who dwell all their lives in their minds endlessly thinking knowing nothing other have a 'personal space' around them. They want people to 'keep their distance' they need some sort of barrier errected. They need a place where - if you get too 'close' they are entitled to bark at you/go on the attack. These 'defense mechanisms' show up in lots of different psychological verbiage. But someone that has just gotten out of concentration not only has not 'personal space' but vacuums in/sucks in everything in sight at an enormous rate - welcomes anything and everything with no such ego-mind barriers. In fact, not only do they have no barrier but anyone coming into contact with them due to such openness loses their own barrier and they feel good having such a burden relieved from them. ('She had a heavy heart' is a metaphyical weight) They are enervated and elated by talking to this person and walk away as such. You literally have to 'beat them back with a stick' sometimes/this phenomena can get out of control. But since you neither know or have ever met anyone with any such powers, all of this may seem strange to you but it is in the yogic literature as an obstacle to success. If you ever have a chance go try to see a great saint like Mother Meera. There are long lines of people that go visit her every year at places around the world. Why do these people go to distant parts of the world and wait in line for days just for her to 'bless' her in a passing moment? It does not make sense either does it yet lots of people do so there must be some reason. These saints also can look 'right through' you. Their soul shines out from their sparkling eyes. They radiate their inner happiness. When you see a new-born infant, it also has an incredibly clear aura as it also does not have its awareness stuck in the mind like adults with their clouded mess of an aura. You can't see these auras when they all look the same. It takes a saint, yogi or infant to see there is something going on there. The gift yogi's and saints bestow on their receivers is called darshan and lots of so-called miracles can happen at that time. Just from a glance, they can infuse you with a great deal of energy heightening your awareness/consciousness such that it may enable you to 'see' what was there all the time for all to 'see' anyway had they had such heightened awareness instead of a clouded dull aura that obscures things. This gets into how psychic phenomena are possible which most people on this forum have heard me talk about lots of times before but I will do so again if you like. Its really not all that difficult at all to explain how psychic phenomena are possible as well as precisely why it is that so few people have any psychic power. Ordinary people who are not mystics do not have have mystical experiences and don't even know what to look for. Existential Despair takes it toll on ordinary people to the extent that they are confused by it to such an extent they go around with a shallow philosophy analogous to 'the early bird gets the worm.' Impressed by this bit of trivia. Only many years later does it dawn on them 'The early worm gets the bird'/the world smacks them upside the head with things like 'its all relative'/reality is in the eye of the beholder and thus they stop looking/lose their sense of wonder like a child has. Such they are 'damaged' by the world like a punch-happy boxer that does not know he should fall down/have enough sense left to fall down even though he is being beatend to death. Mystical training re-sensitizes a person restoring the same sense of wonder as found in young children where the world has not yet taken its toll on them/damaged them. Mike Dubbeld
Pretentions To unwind an aura; i take from these words that the aura is something worth solving, want to quote Plato 'Figure is the only thing...' but i fully don't realize it so wont. I will say that i perceive from accounts that aura is color that follows form. Effluence even. Successful concentration; Is this beneficial concentration, or more the capacity to sustain the concentrate on/of any matter for longer and longer periods? For as i think you said that it is when reposed, relaxed that our brain and ideas have time to catch up. Fill in the gaps if you will without said effort or concentration. Or the ascetic as is my current understanding. Sleep and digestion of experience; Even when you sleep you have something to do. But sleep can be an area/arena of high creativity without your own boundaries and for some a very clear experience.Close to past life i might even think. Agreed that sleep cleans but can give more, even the lucid. To recollect our Almighty Identity; But surely if with previous incarnations (for the occasional 'brand new' must occur), surely with all our social society and science a previous life may have achieved far more than your current may ever be able? The ascetic with his 'mountain of merit', power and intent aside. The point chased, do we forget completely from one life to the next or do we retain some of that Almighty we were once and even put it towards a new Identity? Or is there just the One overall and presently you aren't there yet? The question could also be why are the sins of past lives deciding of the new one? This is my imbalance with caste. Somewhere new has to mean anew, sure take the positive, but i suppose the math just would not add up if there was only the best and brightest. That is why we were born, to experience and evolve; The great inspiration that we are all just not all there yet or ready for full capacity, and if not retained (remembered) in the portion of using brain, we might one day have more and then another more. Nice thought not all practical, but so far as the spirit can realize is still not properly mapped and discoveries are still to come. Is that anything to do with caste? at some point must all agree there is no hierarchy and all are created equal, animal farm, a dream i know but still a good one. As I have read from C.S Lewis on Christianity, and have heard that we all have it in us to become mini Jesus Christs. I believe you cannot replicate, but the ideal is sound when fashioning an Almighty Identity. Back to point, elaborate on ida and pingala currents, and on astral projection and how you might travel suchly. Recollection of Jiva sounds as if there were once memories (experiences) of such states, so goes some way to having been further before and possibility of relegation, not achieving today what was a yesterday. The mind is the conceptions of experience; Explain further how the soul moves through the subconcious? My 'clunky words' i cannot move To have experienced something rely on just feeling, to remind, we must mathmetize our words. Talk to yourself. Convince and control yourself with words that have a number crunch because your words will ultimately convince or control how others read you. And apparently you cant learn to do something without example and the quickest and best way (apart from showing) is through speech. Sure personal experience (even faith interventions) defy words but just make them less clunky. Poeticise, Prophecise, Philosophise. Words whether we like it or not are more easily accessible than numbers funny as it is math that makes the worlds spin. God is the equation. (know any places to go for algebra fun?) simply; you cant teach faith but words can nurture understanding for all. And then the case for binary comes and goes just as quickly. Which is more holy; Holy is to give all you can. Which can be an everything or can be a nothing 'Right action' should not be a penance nor the thought of cancellation. 'Good action' is something more of an addage so although never canceling, it does make you account more in the way of the funded, you may even one day find balance. I would not say Selfless service lessens Karmic burden but i would say there is a blessed accumulation of soul which when time comes to pay the bills, you may not be spiritually bankrupt. Of course you must practice, You cant know substance without experience. 'Dont get carried away with asceticism, i have done lots of it but its value is limited' Now that is funny, not at expence. Value and ascetic, see fun. My understanding of ascetic so far; Dict; severely abstinent, self discipline. Me and what i have read; working of mind over body it is a consequence of 'sitting and thinking' Able to accumulate a mountain of merit (slight complex) Release the soul from bondage permitting union with the Divine Spiritual discipline There are relevances that bring me to John the Baptist. The whole purpose of faith driven activity but spiritual inactivity and acceptance. I cant see me keeping my arm in the air for the duration. Just goat hair and sackcloth. No monopoly;Fancy that, monopoly on God. Samadhi; well i asked about this before, have been looking all i have found is vague description and pretty literation. The object of concentration is irrelevant; Not always. And i dont see why any icon or burning words cant work as the phocal point. The spiritual activities for single purpose; if it does indeed lead to enlightenment and a soul full then there are some things one must not selfless but selfish (must read the selfish gene) Don't lie; It might add up to the fact that they are to busy being selfless to be selfish. And an order is not an order if you do it and live it and even if it takes a while believe it. Just because someone said something does not make it faith. What makes it faith is in the doing. Some people i am sure exist that do not lie cheat or kill for no other reason than right not even for righteousness sake. It is like you saying that all atheists and soon as kill you for not seeing their soul or yours. They are called crazzies not atheists. People of religions and of atheism have different routes to there lives, sure they may not fully recognize all the possibilities but just because they do not quest as you does not mean they are without and not fulfilled by said faith. It is like saying that faith is the reason for war. It is not it is all the human animal inside raping and using the faithful to do the worst, for there aint no deadlier soldier who believes their God is against their foe. And dont forget the crazzies, (that is the world in a nutshell) I try not to mistake human error of faith. Weak willed faith sometimes i will give you that. refer me maya Freedom is freedom from the universe to the grave but there are stepping stones of freedom each one a new or old aspect freed until the ultimate yes freedom.
Concentration takes years of practice to become skillful at much in the same way it takes years to play the piano or violin. We forget from one life to the next due to trauma. Both birth and death are traumatic. When a woman realizes she was raped by her father 40 years later the memory of it was repressed in her subconscious to protect her from it as a painful experience. In the same way, what you did in past lives is repressed in the UNCONSCIOUS (not subconscious) and can be recollected by hypnosis just like the woman could have been hypnotized and that rape memory brought to her conscious mind. Interestingly the Greeks call this loss of memory of past lives a requirement for birth in the next life - we must 'drink from the waters of Lethe' - the 'waters of forgetfulness.' I am only here touching on operation of the subconscious and unconscious. There is also a sub of the subconscious as well and the superconscious mind of intuition. These are the things I was taught early in life by Satguru Subramunia in his Master Course and book Raja Yoga. A lot of mysticism. I will have to talk about pingala and ida currents another time. I will have to talk about the astral plane and sleep and death another time. Forget about castes that is just an Indian social structure system and has little to do with anything. The reason we are born is to experience and recollect our Almighty Identity. It is a matter of recollecting what we already know. This is called by Plato 'anamnesis' (recollection) in Meno. When we are born enough times, being born as kings and queens and famous and everything else in between we wear out the universe much like adults are no longer amused by childrens toys. After enough lives of taking the external world as reality as atheists, we turn inward for fresh experience and the world calls us 'spiritual' or 'religious'. After a few lives of being religious and accepting dogma of some scripture and being reborn again even so, we come to find yoga or realize in some other way precisely what the problem is. We realize we have voluntarily pinned our noses to the wheel of karma - it is we who are the creator of all we attract. We are responsible for our being born and dying over and over again by attachment to things and conditions in the world. We have something we love it. We break it we cry. Desires in our mind at the time of death that we did not get to fulfill in this life lead to our being born into an environment that leads to their fullfillment. And the desires are endless so birth and death would be endless were it not for the fact that one of the desires that arises is the desire to get off this merrygoround of birth and death. The whole universe is based on cause and effect. Desires in minds are causes that lead to rebirth. Yoga is specifically about controlling the mind in such a way so as to detach ourselves from such attachments to things and condtions in the world. Detachment of our awareness from the mind and the senses by concentration leading to samadhi which is Liberation/Freedom from the universe - that is what Kaivalya/Nirvana means. Freedom from the universe. ALL religious activity whatsoever is for this SINGLE PURPOSE even though people that go through the motions of abiding by their religions do not know this nor for the most part do all their bishops and other higher ups. Only when you have had enough births and deaths and have worn out the universe do you grow dissatisfied enough with it such that you can be religious/turn inward by abiding by a set of rules (and thus being forced to increase your willpower by such austerity) and control the mind with such willpower enough to concentrate/control your awareness such that it can turn inward on itself and Realize/Recollect your Almighty Idenity. Otherwise, you will exist with the rest to gratify your senese/enjoy atheist hedonism until you wear out the atheist game/grow up/evolve from such experiences. From the time you are born until the time you die unless you are a yogi, you allow your mind to think whatever it pleases. Not only does it never occur to you your entire life that it could be otherwise but even if you did question this, you likely could find no logical reason for doing so and even if you did find any such logical reason, you would quickly find that as soon as you attempt to control your mind even a tiny amount it screams like a struck pig. You have let your mind have its way all your life and any and all such control will be met with with huge resistance. If you sit down to concentrate, your mind will find a million logical reasons why it is that this is the worst possible moment to do so. Concentration requires enormous willpower and that is precisley why you have no psychic powers nor does the vast majority of the world. Concentration is the hardest thing you will ever do. Notice I did not say might ever do because after enough lives everyone on the planet will have to come to grips with controlling their mind by concentration. We all end up in the same place in the end. An atheist just has more lives yet to be reborn and experience and evolve than someone religious. The right cerebral hemisphere is the subconscious mind. The left cerebral hemisphere is the conscious mind. It is the right hemisphere/subconscious mind that 'gets the joke'. The left hemisphere/conscious mind is responsible for laughter and language. It is basically a stupid output device. When the subconscious 'gets the joke' the left hemisphere/conscious mind outputs laughter. The conscious mind does logic 1 + 1 = 2 etc. It works very slowly in this discursive (Stupid) way. Understanding is had in the subconscious. The conscious mind connected to the eyes sees someone. It places an order to the subconcious for a pattern recognition algorithm to identify the person. This is an extraordinary process all by itself but I will cut it short. When the subconscious comes up with a match, it notifies the conscious mind and the conscious mind reads the label off the bucket in which the match (understanding) was found and we say the name of the person. The point here is that the conscious mind is stuck using clunky words. The subconscious mind works at FANTASTIC speed that does not involve words at all. When you go to sleep at night and dream, your awareness moves through thought forms in your mind. When you are in REM sleep (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep you are dreaming 'close to the physical plane' - you are almost awake. Science says that we don't dream all the time but it is wrong. It is just that the only time science can DETECT when we are dreaming is in REM sleep when we are almost awake. At that time you may talk in your sleep. But if this is occuring, it means your conscious mind is involved since it is responsible for laughter and language. So you must almost be conscious and the use of speech means the forms found in the subconscious are being given names by the conscious mind. So you are dreaming very slowly close to the waking state. But this NEED NOT BE THE CASE. If you are sleeping and dreaming in your subconscious, this means all that is happening is that your awareness is moving from one thought form to the next with no words asssociated with it. You are recalling events of the day and making sense of them in your subconscious at an enormous 'speed.' If you lay a penny on a table and vibrate it with a transformer at 50 or 60 cycles per second, it will buzz noisily on the table. But if you increase the frequency to a million cycles a second, the penny will appear to remain motionless. In the same way when you dream close to the waking state/close to the physical plane, you talk in your sleep/the penny buzzes noisily. But when you are in so called 'deep sleep' you do not talk in your sleep/your conscious mind does not enter the process. Not only does your subconscious work at fantastic rates of speed making sense of all the events of the day in terms of all the past events of your life, the unconscious makes sense of those same events in terms of ALL PAST LIVES as well. So when you wake up it is like you have digested a good meal. The slate is clean and you are ready for fresh experience/are refreshed. Your corresponding aura is clear as well. This is how we evolve. The soul as our awareness (Jiva/bound soul) is ultimately what it is that 'makes sense' of these experiences. But the soul cannot deal with the clunky conscious mind and its words. It provides understanding by allowing it to filter through the subconscious (forms). Suddenly something 'dawns' on us. We have an intuitive flash. It is not something we understand by 1 + 1 = 2. It is not something out of the clunky conscious mind. Non-mystics who do not concentrate are unaware of how understanding comes about. Intuition is from the soul and is NEVER wrong. What is wrong is what the conscious mind MAKES OF such understanding. What words it puts to such understanding. And this is also why when we remember a dream we congratulate ourselves for recalling it and then we try to remember it and we find the things we were doing in this dream to be quite bizarre and we find it difficult to put into words what we were doing let alone why. This is because when awareness moves through just the images of the subconscious without words, we experience this as our doing something in a dream much like we experience walking through a forest (of forms). But putting words to such forms is not only not always going to be possible but most of the time it will not be possible. You don't have words for the names of particular trees for example. Most forms have no particular names. A tree can have many particular forms. Running water is the general words for any number of sounds of particular instances of water movement. Samadhi is not a flash of intuition. Samadhi is a steady flow of intuition/understanding from the soul having long since left the conscious mind far behind as well as the subconscious mind. Samadhi is awareness turning inward on itself to discover its own essence minus the dumbing down of it by the universe of forms in the mind let alone words in the mind. It is a steady state of KNOWING and can only be achieved by detaching awareness from the conscious and subconscious mind by using the will to control awareness via concentration. Maya is the mistaken attachement of our awareness to these forms (the universe/desires in the mind) that externalize our awareness leading to ignorance of our True Almighty Identity. The object of concentration is irrelevant. NO ONE is fullfilled by any sort of faith whatsoever. Faith is faith in a theory. A man can be a professor at a Vedantic School for 30 years and claim 'I am not afraid of death. I know that when I die I will be reborn.' But when death comes calling this man will be afraid. No amount of intellectual anything whatsoever can ever remove fear of death. The best someone with faith can ever hope for is diminished fear of death. It is not even possible to remove fear of death by intellect. To believe this is possible means you are lying to yourself. If you have a map to a place you have a theory of where it is. You have faith in the map. But if you have been there before you do not have faith where it is. You know where it is. You have had the experience and as such require no such faith. Faith in Christianity vs faith in Islam? Theory of God Christian vs Theory of God Islam? The understanding found by the subconscious and taken by the conscious mind goes from pashyanti to madhyama where one truth from intuition becomes many in various minds of Christianity and Islam. 'Human error' is one of the worst phrases there is. You mean human your body is you? How about human your mind is you? How about human your anger is you ('I am angry)? You said you are reading the Bhagavad Gita. Mike Dubbeld
First define psychic then your phenomena? i am not going to troll in this archive, pun intended, not fun. Thank God for no caste; But i was trying to speak your language so will define that my ideal of caste is just that we have no control (sometimes?) of what we are put into, that being of a life or function or lesson. 'It is a matter of recollecting' What? anamnesis, with the 8 2quared? Being born again and even dying; responsible maybe, but a question i work on is how to rebuke and refine the possible new life. Thoughts please. Desire is part of that ego mind. And we must shed Attachments of the dead. My goal is to just not want anything. Or for anything? No But the conscious have a job to do and find how to be subconscious? Science; i have a bug up my ass with this today having to go into why Aristotle's Physics was left behind and the best example given was that of Galileo conquering, saying all the way that it is to do with philosophy is only to do with the intangible and of no provable 'new' (fabled almost) science that the philosopher must subject his life to nothing more than the unprovable would you guess it the soluble, the soluble for crying out loud. Blah blah blah But sleep; is it with your structure a place for past life recollection? Not dwelling on the place to much. It is funny you should mention buzzing pennies. Again; past life experiences in dream land? (Jiva- bound soul) thanks 'intuition is from the soul and is NEVER wrong' What if it were not intuition that was the deciding factor? What if there were something that overrides the intuition (defined, refined for consequence sake intuition) not a lessening but something greater still than personal intuition? Is there such a thing as referable other intuition? Not so much with the gospel this time. 'USING THE WILL TO CONTROL AWARENESS'??? Please give me accountable information. My Gita, took advice and are looking for a less crowded version. Besides i have habit of going in blind and the more i have read, this is some area i do not wish to rush. The Gita i have learned (quickly for my gait) cannot be read with out some precursor, and now i have incentive, maya.
Unlike ALL of western philosophy which I consider basically to be shallow and stupid, the yoga I was taught is coherent like a set of axioms and theorems. If you have an axiom that is wrong, it is not that you have a wrong theorem. You have a whole class of theorems that are wrong. From existential despair having scoped the breadth alone on the subject of reality, one goes into western philosophy and comes out 30 years later more confused than before they began. I did not study western philosophy for the purpose of learning from it. I studied it to discover WHERE IT WENT WRONG. I have long since discovered to my satisfaction where those wrong turns were. The things I talk about I did not invent but are from Satguru Subramunia for the most part and a lot from Richard Hittleman, Swamin Vivekanada, Swami Rajarshi Muni, Swami Sivananda and Swami Vishudevananda. A consequence of something being true is that it shows up over and over again even when you least expect it. Like a theorem its truth can be used to prove even deeper truths. Thus, when I discuss a subject, I never even know myself a prior where one of these truths will pop up because the set of truths are all inter-related - as in UNLIKE the hodge-podge set of uncollected ideas found in western philosophy which lead to nothing in particular except greater confusion of the reader of them. It must come as a shock/disbelief by all readers therefore to, after having been subjected to so many tons of bullshit (existential despair) to find anything that might be coherent. I don't really care who believes what I say. Go read the above references yourself/your confusion is just precisely that. You don't see me scrambling to confound using as many diverse ideas as I can to obscure my ignorance in something - like a number of abstruse references to some vague expression. I simply don't need this as hard as that may be to understand. When a man has a little car with little horsepower comes up to a car known to have a great deal of horsepower the man in the little horsepower car revs up their engine at the stop light. But the man in the car with the horsepower does not feel the need to bother with any such nonsense. Race/debate with the others. This world is full of the 'instant-gratification' bunch where if there is no immediate reward an activity will not be pursued. No where is this more prevalently seen that the trolls on FC for instance. They also don't know much but instead of attempting any pursuit of knowledge they deny their own ignorance and rev up their engines all the time/throw rocks - after all - if you have nothing, you have nothing to lose anyway/might as well...... Its an old tinybopper trick teachers will immediately recognize.
over familiar You said previously that you dont know when one of your truths will pop up. The same could be said for my questions. My apologies for being familiar. But i am not here for 'instant gratification' or to beffudle, i am here for answers, if not a reference. I am really not that quick. I am actually interested in your answers because i really dont have them. Why is that so hard to think. 'if you dont know and dont ask you never will know anything' Any way i did come with one question that is still on topic. See learning Astral projection and what you think of 'Binaural Beats' or brainwave entrainment and the 8 hrts that are supposed to dived the brain? A good teacher does not just inspire or answer but asks.
please indicated and familiar aside Do not mistake me for someone who does not give a crap Double negative?
All of western philosophy is just an uncollected set of ideas that leads to nothing in particular. From 5 axioms most of western mathematics was derived. It is the same with yoga. Its not jus a collection of unrelated facts. For one to be wrong it would nullify the rest. Its like when someone gives you something you don't appreiciate it because you did not have to earn it/find it to be true yourself. Thats why I refer to the names above. Religion is not based on axioms. Religions are based on say so of a Matriarch or Patriarch that has something revealed to them which they encode as a set of scriptures for a population to abide by based on the faith of those scriptures. Yoga is not like that. Yoga gives you things to test YOURSELF for their truthfulness or not. Like proving theorems. Its not good enough what someone else says. Many waste their time for years presuming themselves to be practicing yoga but are not because for all their efforts they fail to understand that without the ability to concentrate and transcend the mind they are wasting their time. I have had yoga teachers tell me they have been practicing yoga for 30 years. But when I ask them what psychic experience Patanjali talks about that they have had, they tell me what Patanjali talked about must just be metaphors as they never had any such experiences. No, they closed their eyes and daydreamed for 30 years and called it meditation - wasted 30 years of their life. Yoga is not a philosophy or a concept. Yoga is an experience and if you are not experiencing the things yoga talks about you are doing something wrong. Everybody can daydream. Very few ever learn to skillfully play the piano or violin/learn to concentrate. On this thread I talk about esoteric yoga things but simply to commit such ideas to memory is useless for progress in yoga. There are Sanskrit scholars who are far more knowledgeable of the history of yoga but Sanskrit scholars have no psychic ability either. Some people think there are secret yogic teachings you can learn to get yogic powers. There are but without yogic concentration it is meaningless to their ears. Only a piano player can appreciate a piano player. Theories of piano playing are just that. Just like theories of God. Ask a guru if they think it is possible to learn yoga without a guru. They will just laugh at you. Concentration (and other subtle mystical things) is very difficult and without the encouragement and guidance of a guru it is fairly absurd to believe you can overcome all the odds. But one can ready themself for a day in the future when they find themself in the good fortune of finding a guru to learn from. Subramunia says 'for every step you take toward finding a guru, a guru takes 9 inner steps toward finding the adept'. So on these forums, irregardless of what I say about esoteric yoga things it is safe to say it is also irrelevant as no one will get it anyway except for the intellectual (philosophical)concepts. Subramunia had a saying 'Mystical teaching is caught. Not taught.' Understanding the yogic philosophy is supposed to be childs play (From FC I now know this is false). One of these days I will get out some of Subramunia's stuff and post it. Just short 1-paragraph aphorisms to muse over. Or what for instance what Frank Capra physicist says in Swami Vishnudevananda's book on the universe and quantum reality. Dig out Vivekananda's Raja Yoga online page for that free e-book. Sivananda's free e-books. I am aware of binaural beats and brainwave entrainment from years ago. Building power in waves is my crusade and why I am studying quantum mechanics. The mathematics behind the waves leads to things like the Schrodinger wave equation, Maxwell's equations and differential equations. Harmonics, beat frequencies, resonance, electric field/magnetic field, neural networks. Fluid mechanics. These are the things that are debatable/open to question and discussion. If you find a university level book on neuroscience you will see it is rocket science/very very complex business. But there just aren't that many people in neuroscience that also know things like differential equations and quantum mechanics - or they may have had the math in school but have long since forgotten it. They are not that familiar with things like electronics. There are a good number of people that do know both these things but when I read their pages, they only tell me how lost they are or are off-topic with fund-raising grant schemes and how to get money from NIH for example on how to cure a particular disease. A lot of the things I see on CSF (Cerebral Spinal Fluid) are actually quite humorous even though I did learn a lot off the web on this subject.
Thanks Now i cant say that i will jump into quantum mechanics but who knows, 'Mystical teaching is caught not taught' I know this and appreciate the words but if one does not at least try to be taught then one cannot just rely on hope to be party to the Divine Guide (Ance). Not to be confused with destiny. What else can i say or ask that wont just be basic, that i am without guidance, lucky you. And as guidance in refined areas is hard to come by i may be just the questioner and nothing else. This seems to offend so i will stop and go and look for what you have given. I do not take interests as shallow encounters. Knowledge is experience is the answered question not even asked, most times just encountered. Might get back in a while, depends where the search takes me. Thanks
well Science is based on axioms and science is the ultimate fundamentalist religion yet devised by the human intellect. I dont see your point
