karma

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  1. PoseidonsNet Supermarine

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    no
    no
    NO
    NO

    you are not looking and you are not reading
    you are just making a knee-jerk reaction

    this design
    http://www.poseidons.net/flying-machine/Ezekiel.htm

    is a direct 1:1
    representation of Ezekiel's flying machine,

    it has wheels at right angles,
    and does not need to change direction
    to move in any direction

    Ra's chariot does not fit any experiment
    it cannot fly
    does not even have wheels
    or anything fitting with physics at all

    why do you people not actually look properly
    at what is being said?

    look here
    http://www.2010-south-africa.net/cool ideas/cool ideas.htm

    no words, just images
    see?

    and here
    http://www.poseidons.net/air-wheel/gravity-generates-lift.htm
    :mad:
  2. Ca$hback No Table Manners At All

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    The Merkabah is pulled by four Chimeras. They are each assigned their own metaphorical meanings. As far as the flying machine you describe, I can find no mention of it. I take it as metaphorical. It wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, my data is limited.
  3. TruthInArt ACT Art Reform Tourist

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  4. Mike Dubbeld Active Member

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    No animal except humans can think abstractly. No hawk is ever going to use abstract notions (languge) to think in terms of what happens when trees fall. When you were an infant, you were not required to learn the abstract notions of things like 'Oh- yes. Now I see. I must suck at the breast to survive.' If you did you would not be here now. In like fashion if you jerk your hand away from a stove you do not go 'oh! that I believe is the smell of burning flesh. I think it might be a good idea to remove my had from this stove.' No- you just jerk it away without thinking about it and similarly the hawk only reacts instinctively. Hawks or any other animals do not think in terms of trees/forests and falling. Language arises in a function of the left cerebral cortex in humans. All other animals lack brain function to any such abstract thinking. The sense another orgnaism makes of the environment as their perception of it varies from species to species. Case in point is the behavior of a frog's motor cortex when an insect flys into range of its tongue for instance.

    I am sorry I bothered to respond reading the last lines of your post which clearly indicate you ARE a juvenile dilenquent.

    Glenn --
    Here is something that is also from the last paragraph of your last post:

    “Maybe I should remove my hand from this.' No, you jerk it off instantly instinctively. This desire is a non-thought survival mechanism that also causes . . .”

    It sounds like you were counseling a group of teenagers in the throes of puberty on how to confront the guilt they may experience during self-gratification. :)'
    end Glenn

    What an idiot. I said--
    When you lean against a hot stove, you do not thing 'That smells like burning flesh. Maybe I should remove my handfrom this.' No, you jerk it off instantly instinctively. This desire is a non-thought survival mechanism that also causes infant mamals to suck at the breast not knowing any language for survival also. Same with the 1-celled creature instinctively 'desiring' to be a 2-celled creature.

    Making you an idiot/likely on drugs or alcohol or maybe simply a juvenile lacking sufficient brain development to get it.
  5. Glennn Active Member

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    I can see that it’s no longer Sunday, and no longer fun to relax; smiley faces be damned!

    After rereading my previous post to you, it appears that I did, in fact, take some of your statements out of context. For that I apologize. I promise it won't happen again . . . seriously.
  6. Memnon Greek Warrior

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    karma is indeed cause and effect....

    an example that many of you have talken about is theft....

    lets say that someone steals something....

    theft is wrong.....

    if we call it a cause....

    then the effect is pain over the loss of an object....
    the man who steals may be in pleasure at his gain...
    but the other main suffers....

    so as to balance it karma takes action...

    the pain(it could be hatred or grieving) of the man who lost his object...
    would be the cause....
    and the effect would be a situation where the thief loses something he values...
    it may not be the same object...
    maybe he loses his mother(death is a loss for some people).....
    or maybe another possession of his...

    the time period depends on other karma he has done....

    karma may also be good to you....

    as the Buddha had said:

    of course karma is an never ending cycle....
    chained by pain,hatred,love,jealousy,lust and so many other things...

    one cause leads to an effect and the effect leads to another cause...
    and it continues in a cycle...

    this can be stopped either by removing the cause or the effect after it...

    if the man who stole did not steal in the first place the cycle would not have started...

    if the man who lost his possession did not grieve or master hatred over the other man...
    then the cycle would be broken.....

    (the thief would be punished in another lifetime or in hell....
    whatever you believe)

    but the cycle would be broken....

    as the Buddha said:


    this is also true for love,jealousy and other illusions of man....

    cycles of karma can be reduced in this world if people understand that none of this is worth giving pain to anyone....

    for we all die someday....
    then for what need is worldly possessions....

    although what ever i said in this post you may not believe...

    that is alright...

    it is unto you to believe in anything....

    but i hope i added to something of the discussion...
  7. PoseidonsNet Supermarine

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    absolute crap

    my cat plots to do all sorts of things to get extra noms,
    like trip me up,
    mimic cute sounds that worked previously
    etc

    my late border-collie would jump on anyone who
    wore a hat and insisted they take it off

    why?

    who knows?

    but he ABSTRACTLY just did not like the idea of hats on heads

    also
    he would get excited an go crazy if i mentioned the word
    'beach' or 'run', even when i said it in a sentence to someone
    else and did not know he ws listening

    Dubbled knows nothing of animals.
    Nothing at all.
    His understanding of animal psychology is 19th century.
  8. Ca$hback No Table Manners At All

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    The next-smartest (most cerebral) animals on the planet are dumber than us by orders of magnitude. Only a few of the great apeas (including us), elephants and a couple of the larger species of whales have spindle cells, which are the cutting edge of emotional intelligence (and by extension, biological intelligence as a whole). Humans posess an average of 70,000-120,000 spindle cells, gorillas and chimps posess between 5,000-7,000 of them. Ya, sign language and finger painting are impressive, but so is the vatican or the forbidden city. The most gifted cats can understand about 200 words and the concept of context is always in the now for the purposes of communication and their ability for forethought and short term memory is comparatively miniscule.
  9. Mike Dubbeld Active Member

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    Glenn as so often as I do I clearly went overboard with my criticism. I certainly do read the things you say.
  10. Glennn Active Member

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    I really was just having fun that day, Mike. It's rare to have someone say something that could so easily be taken the wrong way without the previous sentence to add proper reference. I couldn't resist. I would have done it to anyone.
  11. Glennn Active Member

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    Poseidon,

    I can relate to the cat issue. My cat tries to play me like a fiddle. If his food dish is just near empty, he starts this bullshit where he convincingly assumes the role of Mr. Starving Cat, desperately trying to pull open cupboard doors, and finally jumping up on the counter and going after the butter. Never mind that there’s a freshly killed mouse in the yard just a couple of feet from my back porch, and totally uneaten, courtesy of Mr. Starving cat! After I fill his dish, he’s back playing the part of Mr. Calm Cat who doesn’t need me anymore . . . for a while anyway.

    And if he’s not getting the attention he thinks he deserves while you're engaged in conversation with someone, he walks around the living room with a genuinely pissed-off look on his face while flicking his tail in a way that company finds cute and entertaining, but which I find highly offensive, nay, disturbing; it’s like he’s flipping me off. Finally, he’ll sit himself in front of the chair I’m in and just stare--just workin’ me, ya know? If I don’t pick him up within a minute, he’ll start with either sharpening his claws on the furniture, or chewing the plant in the window.

    Well, that’s how it used to be. Today I have squirt guns placed in strategic locations around the house; it’s the one thing my cat absolutely hates. There’s always one at hand. After our first couple of confrontations, there was a lot of tail flicking and hateful scowls, but now the squirt guns don’t even have to be loaded. The shadow of the whip is sufficient now.
  12. PoseidonsNet Supermarine

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    hahaha
    just the rustle of the newpaper
    is enough to let her know;
    just rustle a newpaper in her general direction,
    its cleaner than a squirt gun

    but that tail flicking is asking for a whack from the newspaper,
    its certainly 'cat' for
    'you are my asshole'
    or something like that

    but master of abstract thinking is the cat,
    plans and schemes by the tuna-load

    the most agile creature around?
    unable to get its tail out from under your foot
    just because the food bowl is at the 20% mark?

    or even if its full and the smell of tuna is in the air?

    i cannot open the fridge door without
    checking under my feet that this most agile of creatures
    has been mistakenly trodden on

    people read in a textbook
    'animals have no abstract thought'
    then repeat it like the old wiki-parrot
  13. Ca$hback No Table Manners At All

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    Nope
    Fridge=food. Linear thought.
  14. Glennn Active Member

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    ROFLMFAO!

    That-20%-food-bowl-level thing must be universal among cats.

    We should market a catfood bowl with a false bottom that moves up a notch every time the cat is finished eating. He'll be on the last 10% and not even know it. And the false bottom won't move up until a sensor indicates that the cat is out of seeing range. This is to make sure he doesn't see the bottom move up. If he does see it move, he'll either flick you off and go after the butter, or he's going to feel very unsure about physical reality, all depending on the cat's level of intelligence. Or, depending on the size of the cat's ego, he may determine that he has mastered the art of manifestation and has finally created everlasting abundance for himself. Be careful then; he'll no longer need you alive!
  15. PoseidonsNet Supermarine

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    but the communication of

    'my tail is in the air, and you remind me of my ass'
    just will not stop!

    trying to stop it is like trying to censor the internet

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