So how is FrostCloud?

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  1. ArghMonkey •••

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    So how are you conservative types doing?

    After all the decades of warning for you conservatives and now its basically over.

    Theres a second recession coming that will screw u and ur kids good and u will have no one but yourselves to blame.

    Better people tried to warn you dumb yanks, oh well.

    I hope you do vote republican, you dumb asses don't seem to want good lives.

    Anyway, just checking in.
  2. A.J Rimbaldi New Member

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    Vote Ron Paul!
    End the Fed.
    Bring the troops home.
    Kiss the left right false paradigm goodbye!

    http://www.ronpaul.com/


    Ron Paul just issued a statement on the situation in Libya. See comments below.

    Ron Paul: “The current situation in Libya may be a short term victory for Empire, but it is a loss for our American Republic. And, I fear it may be devastating to the Libyan people.

    There is no doubt that Moammar Gadhafi is a bad guy, and that he has brought harm and misery to his country. However, our involvement in another country’s civil war is costly and unconstitutional.

    We have spent over $1 billion on a war that this administration has fought not with the consent of Congress but under a NATO flag and authorization from the United Nations.

    It is a serious thing for a President to engage us in a war. He is bound by our Constitution to seek authority from the People, through our Congress, prior to engaging in any military action unless that action is to address an imminent threat to our safety and security. The situation in Libya is a civil war contained within that country’s sovereign borders, and it presented no imminent threat to the United States.

    And so, our government continues to spend trillions of dollars in overseas foreign wars while we face unsustainable debt, a looming dollar crisis, and our Constitution seems to lose any meaning. These actions will sink our country if we do not reverse course.

    Meanwhile, we must beware of any ‘Mission Accomplished’ euphoria. The conflict in Libya is far from over, and there could very well be war in Libya for a long time to come.

    While I hope and pray that the hostility draws to a close and the people there find peace, I fear this is only wishful thinking. We face a situation where a rebel element we have been assisting may very well be radical jihadists, bent on our destruction, and placed in positions of power in a new government.

    Worse still, Gadhafi’s successor is likely to be just as bad, or worse, than Gadhafi himself. Alternately, Libya may descend into anarchy like Somalia after the overthrow of dictator Siad Barre. Much like when we removed Saddam Hussein, another thug in Iraq, the likelihood of either a new brutal dictatorship or tribal violence and a protracted insurgency are much more likely than the peaceful transition to democracy we are all hoping for.

    With all these problems and the predictable chaos that will likely ensue, we must ask why this administration was so eager to embark on this Libyan operation in the name of ‘humanitarianism.’ Governments in Bahrain and Yemen have this year used military force to put down democratic protestors. The Saudi regime, which practices Sharia Law, has also been repressive, yet we have not intervened there. These countries continue to sell us oil, while Libya had begun to turn their exports toward Russia, China, India, and Brazil. Could this war largely be about protecting our oil interests at the expense of our Constitution?

    This episode is all too familiar. We were already involved in two wars that have dragged on years longer than the people who led us into them initially predicted. We can no longer afford to police the world, in terms of both dollars and American lives. We will destroy ourselves if we do not stop, build a strong national defense at home, and focus on trade and commerce with the world instead of Empire.”


    http://www.youtube.com/embed/TxcjT8T3EGU?autoplay=1
    http://www.dailypaul.com/
  3. *Yawn*...God? Speechless

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    Derp derp.

    And hurr durr.
  4. ArghMonkey •••

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    You know Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution and thinks abortion is murder right ...
  5. Blossom Classic Misfit

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    beats the hell outa me
    who cares
  6. TruthInArt ACT Art Reform Tourist

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    You Tribe + NOISES

    The Fact is democracy since it kowtows to vested interests of a few

    [youtube]vRVDxauOK3w[/youtube]

    has become a form of tyranny in that the noise of the crowd of its supporters
    has drowned the voice of the few who dare to say "WHY ARE THERE POLITICAL BORDERS?"
    When it is a fact that we are all related to each other how radical is that Mr William Penn?

    You may quote him Mr Bush Junior but is democracy the answer if so where is it?
    Has poverty been removed and there are no more homeless people on earth?
    The American Experiment " If we will not be governed by we must be governed by tyrants."

  7. Bobbo An old dog

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    I missed you Monkey.
  8. Ben Burkhill With a glint in his eye

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    Hey Argh, where are you hangin' these days?

    LOL about leaving the conservatives here with nothing to rail at - they would hate to admit it but they 'needed' you :)
  9. Symptom777 Symptom of the Universe

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    Is this now all the real members?
  10. Blossom Classic Misfit

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    Don't forget Newsbot.
  11. ArghMonkey •••

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    Who cares about ?

    You mean that ron paul doesnt believe in evolution and thinks abortion is murder?

    I would think most ppl would care if their leader was a dumbass, ron paul apparently has some dumbass ideas.
  12. ArghMonkey •••

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    BEN! Hey hey :)

    I actually moved across the country, now living in Toronto of all places.

    Just got back from Jack Laytons funeral here in Toronto, FYI - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Layton

    Here was his eulogy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1clTRYgSM

    You and Symptom777 still kicking it in this place eh? I am entrenched in twitter these days for political stuff, much broader market.

    So this is all thats left here? Place is dying fast eh.
  13. Blossom Classic Misfit

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    it takes one to know one
  14. Ben Burkhill With a glint in his eye

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    Just because Vancouver was demoted to third for best city in the world to live in?

    I've been off the air here for about a year, I've just recently dropped about two lines on the place - Symptom seems to be in much the same boat.

    So "kicking it in this place?" Nah.

    I wonder where Symptom goes? Engineers'R'us.com? IhateDubbeldtoo.com? Blossomshot.com? I wonder.

    Much shorter quotes too. I've never been interested in twitter, I suppose there are strong niches to be found. Could you copy and paste an example of what one of those twitter political conversations look like? Just curious.

    Looks like it.
  15. ArghMonkey •••

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    Btw, here is the death-bed letter Jack wrote to the country.

    "Dear Friends,

    Tens of thousands of Canadians have written to me in recent weeks to wish me well. I want to thank each and every one of you for your thoughtful, inspiring and often beautiful notes, cards and gifts. Your spirit and love have lit up my home, my spirit, and my determination.

    Unfortunately my treatment has not worked out as I hoped. So I am giving this letter to my partner Olivia to share with you in the circumstance in which I cannot continue.

    I recommend that Hull-Aylmer MP Nycole Turmel continue her work as our interim leader until a permanent successor is elected.

    I recommend the party hold a leadership vote as early as possible in the New Year, on approximately the same timelines as in 2003, so that our new leader has ample time to reconsolidate our team, renew our party and our program, and move forward towards the next election.

    A few additional thoughts:

    To other Canadians who are on journeys to defeat cancer and to live their lives, I say this: please don't be discouraged that my own journey hasn't gone as well as I had hoped. You must not lose your own hope. Treatments and therapies have never been better in the face of this disease. You have every reason to be optimistic, determined, and focused on the future. My only other advice is to cherish every moment with those you love at every stage of your journey, as I have done this summer.

    To the members of my party: we've done remarkable things together in the past eight years. It has been a privilege to lead the New Democratic Party and I am most grateful for your confidence, your support, and the endless hours of volunteer commitment you have devoted to our cause. There will be those who will try to persuade you to give up our cause. But that cause is much bigger than any one leader. Answer them by recommitting with energy and determination to our work. Remember our proud history of social justice, universal health care, public pensions and making sure no one is left behind. Let's continue to move forward. Let's demonstrate in everything we do in the four years before us that we are ready to serve our beloved Canada as its next government.

    To the members of our parliamentary caucus: I have been privileged to work with each and every one of you. Our caucus meetings were always the highlight of my week. It has been my role to ask a great deal from you. And now I am going to do so again. Canadians will be closely watching you in the months to come. Colleagues, I know you will make the tens of thousands of members of our party proud of you by demonstrating the same seamless teamwork and solidarity that has earned us the confidence of millions of Canadians in the recent election. 2
    To my fellow Quebecers: On May 2nd, you made an historic decision. You decided that the way to replace Canada's Conservative federal government with something better was by working together in partnership with progressive-minded Canadians across the country. You made the right decision then; it is still the right decision today; and it will be the right decision right through to the next election, when we will succeed, together. You have elected a superb team of New Democrats to Parliament. They are going to be doing remarkable things in the years to come to make this country better for us all.

    To young Canadians: All my life I have worked to make things better. Hope and optimism have defined my political career, and I continue to be hopeful and optimistic about Canada. Young people have been a great source of inspiration for me. I have met and talked with so many of you about your dreams, your frustrations, and your ideas for change. More and more, you are engaging in politics because you want to change things for the better. Many of you have placed your trust in our party. As my time in political life draws to a close I want to share with you my belief in your power to change this country and this world. There are great challenges before you, from the overwhelming nature of climate change to the unfairness of an economy that excludes so many from our collective wealth, and the changes necessary to build a more inclusive and generous Canada. I believe in you. Your energy, your vision, your passion for justice are exactly what this country needs today. You need to be at the heart of our economy, our political life, and our plans for the present and the future.

    And finally, to all Canadians: Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one - a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity. We can build a prosperous economy and a society that shares its benefits more fairly. We can look after our seniors. We can offer better futures for our children. We can do our part to save the world's environment. We can restore our good name in the world. We can do all of these things because we finally have a party system at the national level where there are real choices; where your vote matters; where working for change can actually bring about change. In the months and years to come, New Democrats will put a compelling new alternative to you. My colleagues in our party are an impressive, committed team. Give them a careful hearing; consider the alternatives; and consider that we can be a better, fairer, more equal country by working together. Don't let them tell you it can't be done.
    My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world.

    All my very best,
    Jack Layton"
  16. ArghMonkey •••

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    Btw, here is the death-bed letter Jack wrote to the country.

    "Dear Friends,

    Tens of thousands of Canadians have written to me in recent weeks to wish me well. I want to thank each and every one of you for your thoughtful, inspiring and often beautiful notes, cards and gifts. Your spirit and love have lit up my home, my spirit, and my determination.

    Unfortunately my treatment has not worked out as I hoped. So I am giving this letter to my partner Olivia to share with you in the circumstance in which I cannot continue.

    I recommend that Hull-Aylmer MP Nycole Turmel continue her work as our interim leader until a permanent successor is elected.

    I recommend the party hold a leadership vote as early as possible in the New Year, on approximately the same timelines as in 2003, so that our new leader has ample time to reconsolidate our team, renew our party and our program, and move forward towards the next election.

    A few additional thoughts:

    To other Canadians who are on journeys to defeat cancer and to live their lives, I say this: please don't be discouraged that my own journey hasn't gone as well as I had hoped. You must not lose your own hope. Treatments and therapies have never been better in the face of this disease. You have every reason to be optimistic, determined, and focused on the future. My only other advice is to cherish every moment with those you love at every stage of your journey, as I have done this summer.

    To the members of my party: we've done remarkable things together in the past eight years. It has been a privilege to lead the New Democratic Party and I am most grateful for your confidence, your support, and the endless hours of volunteer commitment you have devoted to our cause. There will be those who will try to persuade you to give up our cause. But that cause is much bigger than any one leader. Answer them by recommitting with energy and determination to our work. Remember our proud history of social justice, universal health care, public pensions and making sure no one is left behind. Let's continue to move forward. Let's demonstrate in everything we do in the four years before us that we are ready to serve our beloved Canada as its next government.

    To the members of our parliamentary caucus: I have been privileged to work with each and every one of you. Our caucus meetings were always the highlight of my week. It has been my role to ask a great deal from you. And now I am going to do so again. Canadians will be closely watching you in the months to come. Colleagues, I know you will make the tens of thousands of members of our party proud of you by demonstrating the same seamless teamwork and solidarity that has earned us the confidence of millions of Canadians in the recent election. 2
    To my fellow Quebecers: On May 2nd, you made an historic decision. You decided that the way to replace Canada's Conservative federal government with something better was by working together in partnership with progressive-minded Canadians across the country. You made the right decision then; it is still the right decision today; and it will be the right decision right through to the next election, when we will succeed, together. You have elected a superb team of New Democrats to Parliament. They are going to be doing remarkable things in the years to come to make this country better for us all.

    To young Canadians: All my life I have worked to make things better. Hope and optimism have defined my political career, and I continue to be hopeful and optimistic about Canada. Young people have been a great source of inspiration for me. I have met and talked with so many of you about your dreams, your frustrations, and your ideas for change. More and more, you are engaging in politics because you want to change things for the better. Many of you have placed your trust in our party. As my time in political life draws to a close I want to share with you my belief in your power to change this country and this world. There are great challenges before you, from the overwhelming nature of climate change to the unfairness of an economy that excludes so many from our collective wealth, and the changes necessary to build a more inclusive and generous Canada. I believe in you. Your energy, your vision, your passion for justice are exactly what this country needs today. You need to be at the heart of our economy, our political life, and our plans for the present and the future.

    And finally, to all Canadians: Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one - a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity. We can build a prosperous economy and a society that shares its benefits more fairly. We can look after our seniors. We can offer better futures for our children. We can do our part to save the world's environment. We can restore our good name in the world. We can do all of these things because we finally have a party system at the national level where there are real choices; where your vote matters; where working for change can actually bring about change. In the months and years to come, New Democrats will put a compelling new alternative to you. My colleagues in our party are an impressive, committed team. Give them a careful hearing; consider the alternatives; and consider that we can be a better, fairer, more equal country by working together. Don't let them tell you it can't be done.
    My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world.

    All my very best,
    Jack Layton"
  17. imagine Active Member

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    I do not know who Jack Layton is; but some comments re: posts here:

    "Cancer" appears to be Nature's message that a person needs a holiday (being what would be a holiday to them in their circumstances, not what another might claim to be a holiday).

    Also: if you look at the surface of a raspberry, if you were to arrange small clusters of fine pins in this pattern and scale, and gently prick the skin of a so-called cancer-suffer, a reaction may possibly occur (that would undo the cancer at least while they re-sorted their priorities, after which cancer may be redundant).

    Re: 'climate change': if man-made technology is causing a problem here, this is apparently easily solved by more environmentally sensitive / harmonising 'technology' (such as the 'carefree re-entry' ideas of Burt Rutan/ Richard Branson's 'Spaceship One'.)

    Re: 'abortion': were you any less real at age 17? age 11? age 7? age 4? it continues to age -9 months

    I recall when I was age approx. 1 day after birth


    abortion is more 'murder' than you ever imagined
    those promoting it may be the most near-death / lacking natural alive...?

    The living adults have become out of touch with Nature, it appears
  18. imagine Active Member

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    double click error (secondary post)
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