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Old 09-13-2005, 03:03 PM
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Jesus in the holy Qur'an

1426 years is the age of the Islam religion now. and though the collapsing of it’s
civilization has happened only in the pervious last few decades, westerns insist to focus only about this collapsing and ignore more than 1000 years of power culture
science art thinkers philosophers and declare after analyzing that the mean reason
of Arab weakness and ignorance is the Islam so if this was the reason can any one
tell me what was the reason of it’s power
many questions in my mind about how westerns think and analyze
and I wonder if this situation is identical with the collapsing of great Rom when its
leaders and people converted to Christianity

And I wonder how people study the prophet Muhamad as a great leader when he
Introduced him self god messenger to all humanity
Have you ever in your life hared about leader was studded as a prophet????
Or a doctor as an engineer
Have you ever stopped to listen to his message

And the funiest… how people connect unconnectable objects with each other and call the result objectivity
Islam and the holy Qur’an are not a science recipe and cultural book that when you
Are a Muslim you have to show the result and invent something to human beings

Lets suppose that groups of people how worship rats has invented and invented and no one could follow there knowledge and science. is that means there rats are
Very satisfied of them and there religion is Right
Do you think Buddha will be able to resurrect the extremely educated people
Who bow to him every day

If your answer came as I wish. I think it’s time to change your way of thinking
About the weakness of Islam to the weakness of Muslims who strayed and throw
God orders behind their backs and forget what Muhammad has taught them
And lets have a look on

Jesus In The Holy Qur’an

The name of Jesus has mentioned thirty three times in the holy book and I want to
Remind you that Qur’an is the direct speech from god the his creature
Not like the Bible who was written in humans hands and the bibles reached
Huge numbers one day before the interference of the church

So lets begin from

Surah 4
An-nisa
From 155 to 158
By the name of god

And because of their disbelief and their speaking against Mary a tremendous
Calumny. And because of their saying “we slew the messiah, Jesus son of Mary
Allah’s messenger” They slew him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them;
They have no knowledge thereof except pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah raised him up to himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

(( Allah saved Noah from the flood; Abraham from the fire, Muhammad from the traps of the idolaters and Jesus from the wickedness of the Jews, who wished to
crucify him. It was Judas Iscariot , who sought to betray Jesus, who was arrested instead, and crucified instead of the Prophet Jesus, upon whom be peace.))

one thing I want to say before I go on with my article that people
who are not Arabic will find difficulty to understand the Qur’an when they
try to read it page by page and my advice is to read it with good Explanation
and to add the biography of Muhammad peace be upon him cause it will
explain many mysterious things to you
and I would say also your reading to these tow objects are duty when you
know that Muhammad was sent not only for Arabs and not only for
specific periods of time it was sent for me you them and all times

surah 3
Alimran
From 42 to 51
By the name of god

And when the angels said: “O Mary! Allah has chosen you, and made you pure,
And has preferred you above all the women of creation. O Mary! Be obedient to
Your Lord, prostrate yourself, and bow with those who bow in worship.”
This is of the tidings hidden, which We reveal to you (( O Muhammad)). You
Were not present with them when they cast lots to see which of them should be the guardian of Mary nor were you present when they argued .

(((According to the interpreters of the holy Qur’an the children of Israel threw their pens into a river to know which one would be the guardian of Mary. They decided that the guardian of Mary would be the man whose pen floated. According to other accounts, arrows were used rather than pens.)))

45. when the angels said: “O Mary! Allah gives the glad tidings of a word from
him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those who shall be brought near (to god)
46. He will speak to mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous

((( According to verses 27_33 of Surah Maryam, when Mary gave birth to Jesus
,he began to talk in his cradle, announcing that he was slave and servant of Allah,
and a prophet sent by Him with a book)))

46. She said: “My Lord! How can I have a child, when no man has touched me?
“ He replied : “Such is the will of Allah. He creates what He will. When He decrees a
thing He only says: Be! And it is
48. And he will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.
49. And will make him a Messenger to the Israelites. He will say: “I bring you a sign
from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the likeness of a bird; I shall breathe into it and, by Allah’s leave , it shall become a Living bird. By Allah’s leave I shall give sight to the blind, heal the leper, and raise the dead to life. I shall tell you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Surely that will be a sign for you, if
you are believers.
50. (I came) to confirm the Torah that has already been revealed, and to make lawful
to you some of the things you were forbidden. I bring a sign to you from your Lord.
So fear Him and obey me.
51. Allah is my Lord and your Lord; so worship Him That is the straight path.

Surah 19
Maryam
From 85 to 95
By the name of god

The day when we shall gather the righteous like konoured guests before the compassionate God.
86. And when we drive the sinners to HELL like thirsty cattle.
87. None (them) shall have the power to intercede except the one who had made
a covenant with te Compassionate God.
88. They say: “The compassionate God has begotten a son!”
89. Indeed you (people) have put forth a monstrous falsehood.
90. At which the skies are ready to burst; the earth to split asunder, and the
mountains to fall down in ruins.
91. That they should ascribe unto the Compassionate God a son.
92. It does not behove (the majesty of ) the Compassionate God that He
should adopt a son.
93. There is none in the heavens and the earth but shall come to the Compassionate
God as a servant.
94. He takes an account of them (all) and has numbered them Exactly.
95. And each of them will come to Him on the Day of Resurrection

Surah 6
Almaida
From 116 to 118

By the name of god
And when Allah said “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say to mankind: Take me
And my mother for two gods beside Allah?” he said: “Be glorified! It was not mine to say that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then you knew it. You know what
Is in my mind, and I know not what in your mind Assuredly, you, only you are the
Knower of things hidden.”
117. I spoke to them only that which you commanded me, (saying): “worship Allah
my Lord and your lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when you took me you were the watcher over them. You are witness over all things.
118. If you punish them, they are your slaves, and if you forgive them, you only
you, are the Mighty, the Wise

I must stop now but I’ll back again
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:07 PM
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"Buddha will be able to resurrect the extremely educated people
Who bow to him every day"

ah but Buddha is the people who bow to him each day. You are accuseing us of ingnorance which may well be true, but without dought you know nothing about buddism..prehaps a litte reading is in order !

Allah saved Noah from the flood; Abraham from the fire, Muhammad from the traps of the idolaters and Jesus from the wickedness of the Jews, who wished to
crucify him. It was Judas Iscariot , who sought to betray Jesus, who was arrested instead, and crucified instead of the Prophet Jesus, upon whom be peace.))

I agree allah (god ) may have done most of this but judus crucifyed in jesus's place you'll never get past the churchy's with that one !

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Old 09-13-2005, 03:10 PM
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Sorry but the Paradise and 72 virgins bit kind of rocks any credibility I may have otherwise accorded to Mohammed. Did he ever consult the 72 virgins?
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:12 PM
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Sorry but the Paradise and 72 virgins bit kind of rocks any credibility I may have otherwise accorded to Mohammed. Did he ever consult the 72 virgins?
They may come back as an ant that fits the picture !

((( According to verses 27_33 of Surah Maryam, when Mary gave birth to Jesus
,he began to talk in his cradle, announcing that he was slave and servant of Allah,
and a prophet sent by Him with a book)))

Propaganda nothing more or less.I'm suprised he didn't come out of the womb carrying a copy of the Koran!

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Old 09-13-2005, 03:19 PM
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46. She said: “My Lord! How can I have a child, when no man has touched me?
“ He replied : “Such is the will of Allah. He creates what He will. When He decrees a
thing He only says: Be! And it is
48. And he will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.
49. And will make him a Messenger to the Israelites. He will say: “I bring you a sign
from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the likeness of a bird; I shall breathe into it and, by Allah’s leave , it shall become a Living bird. By Allah’s leave I shall give sight to the blind, heal the leper, and raise the dead to life. I shall tell you what you eat and what you store up in your houses. Surely that will be a sign for you, if
you are believers.

This really isn't that differant from biblical accounts other than the use of the word allah, as jesus was jewish as was mary, they would never have called the lord by his proper name its was just not done.
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:33 PM
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well the mean questions which you should ask your selves is how
Muhammad knew the stories of most of the prophets from Ibrahem
to Jesus although he wasn't able to write or read and he was living in a place
where they used to worship stones and bury their daughters alife
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:39 PM
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Propaganda. I love that word, it explains SO much.

I've often wondered... what exactly made David Koresh a 'false prophet' when he clearly stated that was indeed a real one.

As for Muhammad... I don't need to ask myself anything about him since no-one today would know anyhow. Just like Jesus, no one alive today walked with the man or spoke to him, and thus has no idea what the truth is. Maybe he couldn't read or write... but that doesn't mean someone didn't introduce him to the stories.
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well the mean questions which you should ask your selves is how
Muhammad knew the stories of most of the prophets from Ibrahem
to Jesus although he wasn't able to write or read and he was living in a place
where they used to worship stones and bury their daughters alife
Was he deaf no ! he had heard rumours chinese wispers he took these and added his own spin, that alone of course dosn't mean he was not a profit,and he might still have been doing gods will, we will have to see what else you can say that might convince us that is wasn't just an Arab wanna be.Liveing in an area where the jew's claimed to have the monopoly on religion and god You can not blame him for thinking a new_religion was a good idea !

Prehaps he saw the writeing on the wall after all burying all your daughters was not likely to result in much of a future and worshiping stones is unlikely to get you heavan is it ?

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Old 09-13-2005, 03:58 PM
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(( Allah saved Noah from the flood; Abraham from the fire, Muhammad from the traps of the idolaters and Jesus from the wickedness of the Jews, who wished to
crucify him. It was Judas Iscariot , who sought to betray Jesus, who was arrested instead, and crucified instead of the Prophet Jesus, upon whom be peace.))
We don't do anti-semitism on this site, Boss. If you want to promulgate anti-jewish propaganda, go elsewhere. Since Jesus was a Jew and lived in a Jewish nation it's hardly remarkable that those that put him on trial and judged him were Jewish, is it? Wickedness abounds in all nations, including my country, England, where wicked Muslims recently blew up innocent travellers on the tube trains, and before that, wicked Irishmen blew up innocent shoppers in London and Birmingham. Wickedness doesn't have racial boundaries.
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and what about Qur'an who chalenged all the humanity to bring such a words
as I said there is difficulty for those people who don't speak Arabic but again
some facts about Qur'an

1_ god in qur'an promised to protected from any changed
and no one is able to cahnge even a letter
Surah 15
Alhijr
8. we have without doubt, sent down the Reminder, and we Preserve it

2_ god chalenged all the human being to bring such a way of speech
well maybe this is more difficult to be undersood for none Arabs
but in that period of time the Arabic language was very complicated
and when the poets and the people heard the qura'n and it's way they said it's magic
and no one was able to bring any thing closer

3_god in his book promised to protect Muhammad from People
and through his life no one was able to kill him although his enemies where
even in his family
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Do you know the verses which speak of Christian lies about there being 3 gods apart from one another?
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We don't do anti-semitism on this site, Boss. If you want to promulgate anti-jewish propaganda, go elsewhere. Since Jesus was a Jew and lived in a Jewish nation it's hardly remarkable that those that put him on trial and judged him were Jewish, is it? Wickedness abounds in all nations, including my country, England, where wicked Muslims recently blew up innocent travellers on the tube trains, and before that, wicked Irishmen blew up innocent shoppers in London and Birmingham. Wickedness doesn't have racial boundaries.
I think your being a little harsh, after all the Jesus was crucified ( by the jews / romans ) and that is what his remarks is refering to, Jesus escaped whilst the bad Judus was killed in his place. We may not do anti-jewish propaganda but I don't think anybodys religion is out of bounds, or any bigoted group which can also include thouse Jews who raceism is also the root of some of the world sorrows. Otherwise I agree 100% with what you are saying.
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and what about Qur'an who chalenged all the humanity to bring such a words
as I said there is difficulty for those people who don't speak Arabic but again
some facts about Qur'an

1_ god in qur'an promised to protected from any changed
and no one is able to cahnge even a letter
Surah 15
Alhijr
8. we have without doubt, sent down the Reminder, and we Preserve it
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life,and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The last bit of the book of revalation so its not a new idea, almost as bad as micro soft licence's
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I think your being a little harsh, after all the Jesus was crucified ( by the jews / romans ) and that is what his remarks is refering to, Jesus escaped whilst the bad Judus was killed in his place. We may not do anti-jewish propaganda but I don't think anybodys religion is out of bounds, or any bigoted group which can also include thouse Jews who raceism is also the root of some of the world sorrows. Otherwise I agree 100% with what you are saying.
Maybe I am over-sensitive in response to the bout of anti-jewish propaganda that has been dished out by the Muslim Council of Great Britain recently - i.e. they don't want to recognise Holocaust Day. I simply cannot abide anti-semitism in whatever form, but I can sniff it out at a thousand paces - and I'm not Jewish.
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This is the problem no one want to open and read how Arabs converted
From very weak scattered tribes to the biggest empire under the rule of
Islam
Like parrots they all say terrorism blowing
But no one can answer the mean question here how islam defeated every
Thing was standing in his face when people carried the Islam orders and
Adhered
And by way when people living to gather they have to put rules between
Them to organize their life and when these people grow up they have
To change their rules to fit
But in Islam rules were but by god when the muslims adhered they reached
The top of every thing
And when they tried to changed by humans rules they reached the bottom of
Every thing
I’m not asking you to read this page and convert to Islam I’m just trying to
Plant questions in your minds and push you to know what is the real islam
Don’t look to the Arabs follow the sources of this religion
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