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Old 01-29-2006, 10:03 AM
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Islam exposed

Women, the Lowest Caste

Islam considers women to be inferior creatures. Muhammad himself once said that he would "never touch the hand of women" because women were viewed as unclean temptresses. In addition to the humiliating dress code, women are thought to be half-human and in need of guidance:

4.34.: "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those [women] from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart; and scourge [beat] them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great."

The sayings of caliphs, leaders of Islam, were like proclamations of Catholic popes, and their words became the foundation for later Islamic traditions and law. Their misogyny has profoundly influenced Islamic culture. For instance, the second caliph Omar said, "Prevent the women from learning to write! Say no to their capricious ways." He also remarked, "Adopt positions opposite those of women. There is great merit in such opposition."

Ali, Mohammed's cousin and the fourth caliph, said that "The entire woman is evil and what is worse is that it is a necessary evil! ... You should never ask a woman her advice because her advice is worthless. Hide them so that they cannot see other men! ... Do not spend too much time in their company for they will lead you to your downfall! ... Men, never ever obey your women. Never let them advise you on any matter concerning your daily life ... They have three qualities worthy of an unbeliever: they complain of being oppressed when in fact it is they who oppress; they take solemn oaths and at the same time lie; they make a show of refusing the advances of men when in fact they long for them ardently. Let us implore God's help to escape their sorcery."

The Muslim scholar al-Ghazali, living in the eleventh century, wrote that the Muslim woman should

stay at home and get on with her spinning, she should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbours and only visit them when absolutely necessary ... her sole worry should be her virtue, her home as well as her prayers and her fast ... she should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment.

al-Ghazali goes on to say that Allah has punished women in eighteen separate ways, including:

* menstruation
* pregnancy
* childbirth
* lesser share in inheritances
* liability for divorce but inability to initiate divorce
* seclusion
* exclusion from many religious rituals and ceremonies
* disqualification for positions as rulers and judges

In addition, the testimony of one woman in an Islamic court is only worth half of the testimony of a man. Some modern Muslim scholars give weight to discredited theories allegedly showing that female cranial capacity is far below that of males. Since the primary function of marriage in Islam is procreation (for the woman) and pleasure (for the man), Muslim women cannot ask for divorce unless their husbands' penises have literally withered away. The Heaven of Islam is full of wide-eyed female virgins ready to fulfill the sexual needs of dead, pious, Muslim men. There are no equivalent male servants for devout Muslim women who have passed on to the next world.

Here are some interesting examples of the treatment of women under Muslim law as reported by Ibn Warraq. In the Pakistan of the late seventies, martial law was imposed and holy days like Ramadan were enforced by armed soldiers. Women were forbidden to compete in sporting events and the zina laws were introduced. "Zina" is a word for illicit sex that includes adultery, fornication, rape, and prostitution, and the zina laws recommended amputation of hands and executions for violators. What this meant in practive was that rape victims were often charged with violating the zina laws.

For instance, a Muslim in Pakistan kidnapped and raped his friend's daughter. Her father brought charges against the rapist but his daughter was thrown in prison for committing zina. Her father successfully bribed the police to release her and when she returned home she was severely beaten for dishonoring her family. In another case, a sixteen-year-old domestic worker named Safia Bibi was raped and impregnated by her landlord and his son. Bibi's father had the two men charged in court, but since the testimony of even one man automatically outweighs the word of one woman, they were not convicted. However, Bibi's pregnancy was evidence of adultery (it is thought that pregnancy can only result from consensual sex) and therefore she was sentenced to three years in prison, fifteen lashes, and a fine of 15,000 rupees. Human rights groups in Pakistan report that a rape occurs every three hours in Pakistan, half of all rape victims are juveniles, and 72 percent of all women in police custody are physically and sexually abused. Most of those women are in prison on charges of violating the zina laws.

Speaking of Pakistan, many people cite the 1988 election of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto as an example of a more liberal Islam, since under traditional Islamic law, women cannot act as heads of a Muslim state. However, her government lasted almost two years, at which point she was forced out of office on charges of "corruption" and her husband imprisoned. In a hopeless attempt to cling to power, Bhutto frequently gave in to the demands of the Muslim clerics and theologians and refused to acknowledge the rights of women, whose lot was no better when Bhutto left office. Bhutto has since won and lost national office yet again.
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Old 01-29-2006, 10:08 AM
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* menstruation
* pregnancy
* childbirth
* lesser share in inheritances
* liability for divorce but inability to initiate divorce
* seclusion
* exclusion from many religious rituals and ceremonies
* disqualification for positions as rulers and judges

What religion doesnt do this? Including your beloved Hinduism and buddism.
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Old 01-29-2006, 11:06 AM
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* menstruation
* pregnancy
* childbirth
* lesser share in inheritances
* liability for divorce but inability to initiate divorce
* seclusion
* exclusion from many religious rituals and ceremonies
* disqualification for positions as rulers and judges

What religion doesnt do this? Including your beloved Hinduism and buddism.
hinduism do not say they are punishment to women.hinduism do not say that women are evil.Hinduism do not say that, women are for pleasures.
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Old 01-29-2006, 12:26 PM
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So what do you have to say about this:
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid...ndu_women.html
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:14 PM
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So what do you have to say about this:
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid...ndu_women.html
i will reply to it in detail, first,there it was mentioned hinduism has-

"# Child Marriage - Girls are to be married when 5 years old !
# Dowry - Vedas prescribe this pracitice
# Bride-Burning - if the dowry is insufficient
# No Property
# Mass Wife-Burning (Jauhar) - Often 100s are burnt at a time.
# Widow-Burning (Sati) - Sanctioned by the Vedas, Puranas, practiced by Krishna’s wives, it still continues. "

it is true that child marriege was there, but males were also child.
i can, give 100% assurance, that all other is not indegenous to hinduism.
dowry,for example, was not there in vedas.the scripures suggest 5 types of marriages, in which gifts were given and taken.then, ment were supposed to seek hands of women and not vise versa.
few,, types of marrieges mentioned in shastras are -
love marriege, arranged marriege after different types.....
dowry is a later day concept.
property- Apasthamba sutra suggests that, the property should be divided between both sons and daughters.

mass burning,sati,and wife burning were not at all inherent to hinduism.these are mush later practises, formed due to the invasion of islam.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:17 PM
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the article states-
"2.1.1 Bride-Burning

This is often related to dowry, when the bride’s family cannot pay up to the amount demanded by the in-laws. Often the in-laws make demands in excess of those made at the time of marriage. When the deadline specified runs out, the bride is burned in often gruesome fashions. At least 5000 women die each year for not bringing in enough dowry. At least a dozen women die each day in `kitchen fires,’ which are often passed off as accidents, because their in-laws are not satisfied with their dowries. Only a few of the murderers are brought to justice. [Kitchen 1997]"

it is true, today due to dowry many problems have arrosed, but hinduism do not suuport this.vedas and shastras condemns this.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:26 PM
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WOMEN CAN COMMIT NO FAULT
The Mahabharata
Santi Parva, Section CCLXVI
Translated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli

Then again woman can commit no fault. It is man only that commits faults. By perpetrating an act of adultery, the man only becomes stained with guilt. It has been said that the husband is the highest object with the wife and the highest deity to her. Women can commit no fault. Indeed, in consequence of the natural weakness of the sex as displayed in every act, and their liability to solicitation, women cannot be regarded as off
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:29 PM
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Women should always be worshipped
and treated with affection.

Do ye men show them honour. The righteousness of men
depends upon women. All pleasures and enjoyments also
completely depend upon them. Do ye serve them and worship them. Do ye bend your wills before them.

The begetting of offspring, the nursing of children already born, and the accomplishment of all acts necessary for the needs of society, behold, all these have women for their cause. By honouring women, ye are sure to attain to the fruition of all objects.

In this connection a princess of the house of Janaka the ruler of the Videhas, sang a verse. It is this: Women have no sacrifices ordained for them. There are no Sraddhas which they are called upon to perform. They are not required to observe any facts. To serve their husbands with reverence and willing obedience is their only duty. Through the discharge of that duty they succeed in conquering heaven.

In childhood, the sire protects her. The husband protects her in youth. When she becomes old, her sons protect her. At no period of her life does woman deserve to be free.

Deities of prosperity are women. The persons that desire
prosperity should honour them. By cherishing women, one
cherishes the goddess of prosperity herself, and by afflicting her, one is said to afflict the goddess of prosperity.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:32 PM
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WIFEHOOD VERSUS MOTHERHOOD

By Swami Ranganathananda
Sri Ramakrishna Ashrama, Belur Math

It is in this sphere that Indian thought, with its spiritual view of life, has much to contribute to steady the feet of men and women in East and the West. Motherhood is a spiritual transformation of wifehood. The wife may and does demand and take; but the mother feels it her privilege to give. If woman as wife is socially significant, woman as mother is spiritually glorious. The culture of the Hindu trains him to look upon all women as forms of the one Divine Mother. The mother is more worthy of reverence than father or teacher according to our scriptures.
Says the manu Smriti (ii. 45):

"From the point of view of reverence due,
a teacher is ten fold superior to a mere lecturer,
a father a hundredfold to a teacher, and a
mother a thousandfold to a father."
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:36 PM
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n the West the wife governs the home.
In an Indian home it is the mother who controls.

In the West the woman is wife. In India she is the mother. The mother is worshipped as the goddess Lakshmi (Goddess of prosperity) of the house. The Sruti (Taittiriya Upanishad) emphatically declares:
"MATRU DEVO BHAVA" (Let thy mother be thy God).

In the West the wife governs the home. In an Indian home it is the mother who controls. In the West the mother has to be subordinate to the wife. In India the wife has to be subordinate to the mother.

If a woman is pure she can save and purify man. She can purify the race. She can make a home a sacred temple. Hindu women have been the custodians of the Hindu race. Hindu religion and civilisation still survive in spite of the many foreign invasions. Other civilisations have come and gone, but only Hindu civilisation has survived on account of the purity of Hindu women. The women are taught to regard chastity as their most priceless possession, and the loss of it equal to the eternal damnation of their soul. From their very childhood religion is ingrained in Hindu women. As such they illumine and enliven the home through the glory of their purity. This is the secret of the endurance of the Hindu religion, civilisation and culture.

That home is a miserable place, a veritable hell on earth wherein the husband moves up in spirituality and the wife pulls him down into sensual grooves, and vice versa. Both should be harmoniously blended or joined by the sacred thread of self-knowledge, each aspiring eagerly for God-consciousness. That home really is heaven where the husband and wife lead an ideal divine life, singing the Lord’s name, repeating His mantra, studying sacred scriptures, controlling the senses and serving devotees and renunciates.

Manu Smriti says:
"Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased, but where they are not honoured, there no sacred rite is fruitful."
Such is the glory of Indian womanhood.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:37 PM
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Manu declares:
"The woman who always does good, who is efficient in work, sweet in speech, devoted to her duty and service of her husband, is really no human being but a goddess."
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HUSBAND
How to choose a wife - How to treat your wife
Translated from an Indian manuscript
discovered in Tibet, written by an ancient Brahmin.

Take unto yourself a wife and obey the ordinance of God; take unto yourself a wife and become a faithful member of society.

But examine with care; on your present choice depends your future happiness.

If much of her time is deployed in dress and ornaments, if she is enamoured with her own beauty, and delighted with her own praise, if she laughs much and talks loud, if her foot does not abide in her father’s house, and eyes with boldness rove on the faces of men; though her beauty were as the sun in the firmament of heaven, turn your face from her charms, turn your feet from her path and suffer not your soul to be ensnared by the allurements of imagination.

But when you find sensibility of heart joined with softness of manners, an accomplished mind with a form agreeable to your fancy, take her home to your house, she is worthy to be your friend, your companion in life, the wife of your bosom.

Cherish her as a blessing sent to you from heaven; let the kindness of your behaviour endear you to her heart.

She is the mistress of your house; treat her therefore with respect, that your servants may obey her. Do not oppose her inclination without cause; she is the partner of your cares, make her also the companion of your pleasures.

Reprove her faults with gentleness; do not exact her obedience with rigour.

Trust your secrets in her breast; her counsels are sincere; you shall not be deceived.

Be faithful to her bed; for she is the mother of your children.

When pain and sickness assault her, let your tenderness soothe her affliction; a look from you of pity and of love shall alleviate her grief, or mitigate her pain, and be of more avail than ten physicians.

Consider the tenderness of her sex, the delicacy of her frame, and be not severe to her weakness, but remember your own imperfections.
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There is no mode of life that is
superior to serving one’s mother.
-The Mahabharata
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* menstruation
* pregnancy
* childbirth
* lesser share in inheritances
* liability for divorce but inability to initiate divorce
* seclusion
* exclusion from many religious rituals and ceremonies
* disqualification for positions as rulers and judges

What religion doesnt do this? Including your beloved Hinduism and buddism.

Actualy there are Karmapa's,Sanchen's, Rinpoche's, Lama's and Nun's which are all Extremely high rankings in Buddhist councils that are women!
I was taught by a Female Zen Master, imagine that
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symptom the site provided by you quotes-
"2.2.1 Amputation of Ears and Noses

Aryan husbands cut off the ears and nose of their wives if they left the house without their prior permission. The Pancatantra mentions one such story [Pancatantra p.54, I.7th story "The Weaver’s Wife"]. The weaver cut off his wife’s nose because she did not respond and he considered her unfaithful. (actually he cut off the barber’s wife’s nose who was there instead.) The Ramayana and Lord Rama practiced the cutting off of womens’ noses for minor offences, thereby providing divine sanction for the custom. Shurpanakha was a Dravidian lady ( referred to as Rakshis or female demons by the Aryans) who fell in love with Rama. She proposed to him, but he directed her to his brother Laxman. He cut off her ears and nose for this crime, and Ram condoned this act. [Alld Chmbrs 1036]"

this shows the misinterpretation and lack of knowledge.
first, PANCHATANTRA is a story book explaining moral values.the incident of husband cutting womens ears is mentioned to propose that these should not be done.infact panchatantra is a story, a product of the imagination of the writter.

then, RAMAYANA, the author of the article should have studied whole ramayana.actually, SURPUNAKI, whose, nose is chopped off, is actually the sister of RAVANA, who is a YADU, the rival dynasty of the PURUS[Rama].then, the background should be understand.Both Rama and Lakhmana were married and were devoted to their wives.Surpunaka comes and proposes.evven after knowing that Lakshmana is married, she forces him physically and psychologically.at this moment he chops her nose.this does not mean hinduism directs hubands to chop wife's nose.
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