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Old 03-18-2009, 07:52 AM
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That maybe true Dragon as I don't know much about who controls these organisation.
Well I do. And it is people like Bobbo that will look the other way and say they have no part in the lying to the public along with the politicans.

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But left or right?

It doesn't really matter to the point that Jon Stewart and The Daily Show were making, regardless of how it is spun as a political attack. It is clearly an attack on those who are suppose to report and have knowledge of business, stocks and finances who knew what was going on and then when it blew up, pretend they never saw it coming.
Oh I agree multiply news stations failed on reporting many news worthy stories because it might undercut their ideology or their support for certain candidates. Point is though, you should take this man and others on TV's opinions as a grain of salt. They have no obligation to tell you the honest truth on the market.


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All I am saying is that he was a hedge fund manager, he must have been doing something right to go from hedge fund manager to appearing on TV as a pundit....Unless he is a bullshiter?? I do not know that much about Cramer, so do not think I am saying he is legit, or that anyone should take his advice.
Well I do not know much about him either, but my experience with watching the "experts" on the News channels tells me though that they are not that trust worthy.

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I'm sure when CNBC commission his program, they had to put a presenter who knew what he was talking about for them to front a show about the world of stocks and finance..............err......Actually on 2nd thoughts, based on what I now know of CNBC....I take that back....Silly me!
True, but like I said I do not know much about this individuals past occupations.

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You are right, see we can agree on something. Although I'm sure some people have taken his advice and done well too, otherwise is program wouldn't be popular.
Interesting to hear you say that Dragon, so what should happen if we decide the government should stop saving there butts?
Well it is my view that no private business should be bailed out of debt by the public government, no matter how big it is. They have other options to survive, whether that be bankrupcy or like chapter 11 option or other options.

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Or should I say people like you and me. lol
This is some kind of record.....lol I'm agreeing with you again Dragon.
I guess so! heheh.

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I wouldn't say every news agencies and others are lying to us, but sometimes the truth comes spread with a bit of bullshit.

Catch the metaphor.

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i will agree to that not ALL news agencies, just some of the important ones on the national and international level.
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:28 AM
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I thougth about posting this myself, I should have but ive been too busy getting ready for my move ...

Anyway it was just great watching stewart rip into a blowhard like cramer, I cant imagine any yanks taking that guy seriously but like everything american, theres always at least a few tens of millions of ppl dumb enough to buy into it, anyway stewarts piece was just one small part of the bigger problem but kudos to stewart for having the courage and intelligence to pull back the curtain, now if yanks can just keep this up and encourage the president to go after corrupt business and finance practices ...
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:01 PM
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I thougth about posting this myself, I should have but ive been too busy getting ready for my move ...

Anyway it was just great watching stewart rip into a blowhard like cramer, I cant imagine any yanks taking that guy seriously but like everything american, theres always at least a few tens of millions of ppl dumb enough to buy into it, anyway stewarts piece was just one small part of the bigger problem but kudos to stewart for having the courage and intelligence to pull back the curtain, now if yanks can just keep this up and encourage the president to go after corrupt business and finance practices ...
I have no sympathy for people like Cramer, they try and justify/twist/deny/ignore the things they have said. I can understand a little why Cramer got defensive, his reputation (Which doesn't appear to be that great anyway!) would be in tatters. People have spun themselves out of worse situations before and he thought he could do the same. It just didn't work out to well for him......lol
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:36 PM
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Stewart is supposed to be a comedian. His show is supposed to be comedy. Did he or did he not fail his oligation to his audience to provide them with something funny? Unless you believe he was engaging in satire you must agree his Cramer bashing wasn't funny. You may have enjoyed it, but it wasn't comedy. Stewart certainly gave no indication that he was trying to be funny and every indication that he was dead serious. His show and Cramers, and in fact every show on TV, is what it is. All the shows should be judged on what they are, not what you want them to be. Unfortunately ideology and agendas prevent people from being objective.
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CNBC has a market share of less than 1%. I think the raw numbers are typically around 750,000. Not exactly what one would call an information powerhouse. Cramer is a small fish in a small pond. Stewart found an easy target. His bashing was carefully calculated to get as much free advertising for his show and recognition for himself as possible. It's an old trick, but it still works.
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:18 PM
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Stewart is supposed to be a comedian.
You are obviously not a fan then?

I think he is very funny and talented comedian.
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His show is supposed to be comedy.
The Daily Show is Comedy News.
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Did he or did he not fail his oligation to his audience to provide them with something funny?
Hell no....It was fucking hilarious watching Cramer coming out for a fight and getting slapped about by Stewart who I think showed him a lot of mercy.

Stewart could have completely butchered him but stopped just short.
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Unless you believe he was engaging in satire you must agree his Cramer bashing wasn't funny.
Well you could argue it was satire but it was more than that.
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You may have enjoyed it, but it wasn't comedy.
That depends on how you like your comedy, sometime comedy is brutally honest. You are telling me these exhanges is not comedy....
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Stewart certainly gave no indication that he was trying to be funny and every indication that he was dead serious.
At times he was deadly serious and he as every right to be...lol

I'm not sure if you actually understand the gravitas of what Stewart did. It is a shame that a comedy program is having to do the journalism that news organisation like CNBC certainly aren't.

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His show and Cramers, and in fact every show on TV, is what it is.
It is, but it is well known that a lot of Americans get there news from programs like The Daily Show/Colbert Report because in between their jokes, there is real information and facts that some of the other networks do not publish or talk about.

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All the shows should be judged on what they are, not what you want them to be.
I've never expected The Daily Show to be anything other than comedy news, but if news networks can't do real journalism, I have no problems with the comedy program pointing it out in comical way.
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Unfortunately ideology and agendas prevent people from being objective.
This is coming from someone who tried to turn this into some politicially driven agenda by suggesting that the left were taking a swipe at the right?

How can you be objective when you are guilty of the very things you say prevent people from being objective?
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:40 PM
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CNBC has a market share of less than 1%. I think the raw numbers are typically around 750,000. Not exactly what one would call an information powerhouse. Cramer is a small fish in a small pond.
Fair enough. Even so it was still entertaining.
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Stewart found an easy target.
I think Cramer rather than just taking it on the chin and trying to fight back when blatantly lying made him an easy target.
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His bashing was carefully calculated to get as much free advertising for his show and recognition for himself as possible. It's an old trick, but it still works.
The bashing was carefully calculated, but as free advertising and recognition for himself....I doubt it...lol

Most Americans are already aware of who Jon Stewart is and what The Daily Show is, a lot of people in Europe would be aware of him and his show too.

I'm sure they did have an improvement in ratings but I'm pretty sure it was never crafted.

The Daily Show piece was about CNBC and Cramer took exception to Stewarts criticism and wrote about it in an article saying Stewart was unfar and took quotes out of context, so Stewart responded back on his show, showing clips of Cramer telling people to buy in Bear Stearns days before it collapses, so they come together for a showdown in which Stewart lays the smackdown on him.

I'm sure staff at the Daily Show never knew this would have been the response after the 1st show about CNBC was broadcast for it to have been calculated....lol
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I have no sympathy for people like Cramer, they try and justify/twist/deny/ignore the things they have said. I can understand a little why Cramer got defensive, his reputation (Which doesn't appear to be that great anyway!) would be in tatters. People have spun themselves out of worse situations before and he thought he could do the same. It just didn't work out to well for him......lol
I dont have sympathy for him but hes literaly a jester, hes taken seriously only by dumb white middle class americans, thats enough reason to crucify him, especially when you see the clips of him describing how he screws over ppl and the system, but hes just one tiny part of the problem, stewart calling him out is great to watch but the problem is so much bigger then little cramer ...
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I think it's an example of things getting to be more polar. Politics are getting more and more serious and the resentment each side has for the other is at unprecedented levels. I don't find it surprising that different members of the media are using what influence they have to support their bias. John Stewart is an example of a rallying point for the left wing, of course nobody wants to be associated with the negative aspects of their wing and call themselves moderate when it's convenient. People are taking bigger and bigger risks to promote their agendas. The whole pattern suggests the wedge is getting deeper and deeper and some of us forget the other is human and apply labels like evil, selfish or lazy when they have no real vantage point to make such accusations, but the speculation is driven by emotion and rationality takes a back seat so evidence doesn't matter as much as it should. The person who promotes compromise usually gets shot down by both sides. It's an ongoing, escalating, heated argument that won't end until one side is beaten into submission. Pick a side and start the war so you can hurry up and end it.
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Well I didnt find it funny. Then again i do not find much of his stuff very funny at all, but that is personal opinion. But then again I never took him seriously at all or Cramer for that matter.

I just find it ironic that one left winger guy is trashing another left winger guy over the issue of economics. NOW THAT is FUNNY and IRONIC.
Because I have seen Stewarts work and yet to see him attack anyone that agrees with his political views.
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I think it's an example of things getting to be more polar. Politics are getting more and more serious and the resentment each side has for the other is at unprecedented levels.
Politics have always been serious, if more ppl are interested thats an up and down thing, for americans they have been asleep since reagan, if they are waking up now, to watch as things disintegrate, its a bit too late.

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Cash, I like ya, I have to say that because sometimes I think being blunt with you makes u take it personally ...

You sound like an american here and I just have to point back to being raised in Alberta, sorry ...

Stewart is middle of the road at best, a yank would say hes left but then anyone wanting fairness in the american system is considered left wing *LOL*

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People are taking bigger and bigger risks to promote their agendas. The whole pattern suggests the wedge is getting deeper and deeper and some of us forget the other is human and apply labels like evil, selfish or lazy when they have no real vantage point to make such accusations, but the speculation is driven by emotion and rationality takes a back seat so evidence doesn't matter as much as it should. The person who promotes compromise usually gets shot down by both sides. It's an ongoing, escalating, heated argument that won't end until one side is beaten into submission. Pick a side and start the war so you can hurry up and end it.
The only side that irrational is the conservative side, a group that promotes religion while simultaneously allowing unchecked greed and corruption to destroy the middle class of the u.s. *L* thats not thinking ahead ...

Btw, I notice Calgary Alberta is hosting george bush eh, Alberta doesnt disgust and embarrass the rest of Canada enough?
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Wonder why no one complained about the TV stock pickers when the market was going up?

Oh yes, I remember now. Everyone was making money and thought the TV stock pickers were so very smart. And of course they were so very proud of themselves for taking such good advice.
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Pick a side and start the war so you can hurry up and end it.
The war is on already. The socialists are determined to turn our capitalistic representative republic into a socialistic democracy. If they get their way everything will be determined by popular vote. That will require amending the Constitution. Fortunately they don't have the votes - yet. They consider the authority of the individual States to be a nuisance, and would have everything controlled from the Federal level.

Beware any system where all power is concentrated in one place. Socialism is just communism lite.
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... anyone wanting fairness in the american system is considered left wing

... The only side that [is] irrational is the conservative side, ...

Monkey, you have outdone yourself.
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