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Old 04-25-2007, 07:51 PM
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Homosexual adoption is a much bigger issue than you think!

Before any of you view homosexual adoption as small cookies, consider these statistics from the 2000 U.S. Census on homosexual partners:

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- Same-gender couples live in 99.3% of all US counties.
- Same-gender couples are raising children in at least 96% of all US counties.
- Nearly one quarter of all same-gender couples are raising children.
- Nationwide, 34.3% of lesbian couples are raising children, and 22.3% of gay male couples are raising children (compared with 45.6% of married heterosexual and 43.1% of unmarried heterosexual couples raising children).
- Vermont has the largest aggregation of same gender-couples (~1% of all households) followed by California, Washington, Massachusetts, and Oregon.
- Regionally, the South has the highest percentage of same-gender couples who are parents; 36.1% of lesbian couples and 23.9% of gay couples in the South are raising children.
- The second highest percentage is seen in the Midwest, where 34.7% of lesbian couples and 22.9% of gay couples are parenting children.
- In the West, 33.1% of lesbian couples and 21.1% of gay couples are parents.
- In the Northeast, 32.6% of lesbian couples and 21.7% of gay couples are raising children.
- The states with the highest percentages of lesbian couples raising children are Mississippi (43.8%), South Dakota and Utah (42.3% each), and Texas (40.9%).
- The states with the highest percentages of gay male couples raising children are Alaska (36%), South Dakota (33%), Mississippi (31%), and Idaho and Utah (30% each).
- Six percent of same-gender couples are raising children who have been adopted compared with 5.1% of heterosexual married couples and 2.6% of unmarried heterosexual couples.{dagger}
- Eight percent of same-gender parents are raising children with special health care needs, compared with 8.3% of heterosexual unmarried parents and 5.8% of heterosexual married parents.
- Of same-gender partners raising children, 41.1% have been together for 5 years or longer, whereas 19.9% of heterosexual unmarried couples have stayed together for that duration.
( Gathered indirectly from http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-5.pdf )

As you can see, adoptive gay parents are a larger group than one might initially think. Considering the fact that over a quarter of gay partners adopt, over 1.25 million children have found a stable home thanks to gay adoption- are any of you really willing to take away this big of a positive impact on our adoption system?

The number of monogamous gay relationships is increasing. Consider how many more households that can come out to before thinking about removing gay adoption based on merely your own intuition, rather than fact. If you want ot take away their rights, at least do some research into their demographic and give them a chance to speak for themselves as a real demographic rather than a stereotype.
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Consider this resolution reached by the American Psychological Association, known for its academic rigor and objectivity in issues concerning demographics and human behavior:

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Resolution on Sexual Orientation, Parents, and Children
Adopted by the APA Council of Representatives, July 2004
Research Summary
Lesbian and Gay Parents
Many lesbians and gay men are parents. In the 2000 U. S. Census, 33% of female same-sex couple households and 22% of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under the age of 18 living in the home. Despite the significant presence of at least 163,879 households headed by lesbian or gay parents in U.S. society, three major concerns about lesbian and gay parents are commonly voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). These include concerns that lesbians and gay men are mentally ill, that lesbians are less maternal than heterosexual women, and that lesbians' and gay men's relationships with their sexual partners leave little time for their relationships with their children. In general, research has failed to provide a basis for any of these concerns (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). First, homosexuality is not a psychological disorder (Conger, 1975). Although exposure to prejudice and discrimination based on sexual orientation may cause acute distress (Mays & Cochran, 2001; Meyer, 2003), there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002). Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly in their approaches to child rearing (Patterson, 2000; Tasker, 1999). Members of gay and lesbian couples with children have been found to divide the work involved in childcare evenly, and to be satisfied with their relationships with their partners (Patterson, 2000, 2004a). The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual parents. There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation (Armesto, 2002; Patterson, 2000; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children.
Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents
As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. For instance, one such concern is that children brought up by lesbian mothers or gay fathers will show disturbances in gender identity and/or in gender role behavior. A second category of concerns involves aspects of children's personal development other than sexual identity. For example, some observers have expressed fears that children in the custody of gay or lesbian parents would be more vulnerable to mental breakdown, would exhibit more adjustment difficulties and behavior problems, or would be less psychologically healthy than other children. A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent's friends or acquaintances.
Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a). Studies of other aspects of personal development (including personality, self-concept, and conduct) similarly reveal few differences between children of lesbian mothers and children
of heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). However, few data regarding these concerns are available for children of gay fathers (Patterson, 2004b). Evidence also suggests that children of lesbian and gay parents have normal social relationships with peers and adults (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). The picture that emerges from research is one of general engagement in social life with peers, parents, family members, and friends. Fears about children of lesbian or gay parents being sexually abused by adults, ostracized by peers, or isolated in single-sex lesbian or gay communities have received no scientific support. Overall, results of research suggest that the development, adjustment, and well-being of children with lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from that of children with heterosexual parents.
Resolution
WHEREAS APA supports policy and legislation that promote safe, secure, and nurturing environments for all children (DeLeon, 1993, 1995; Fox, 1991; Levant, 2000);
WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore "all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians" and urges "the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men" (Conger, 1975);
WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Child Custody and Placement in 1976 (Conger, 1977, p. 432)
WHEREAS Discrimination against lesbian and gay parents deprives their children of benefits, rights, and privileges enjoyed by children of heterosexual married couples;
WHEREAS some jurisdictions prohibit gay and lesbian individuals and same-sex couples from adopting children, notwithstanding the great need for adoptive parents (Lofton v. Secretary, 2004);
WHEREAS There is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);
WHEREAS Research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED That the APA opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That the APA believes that children reared by a same-sex couple benefit from legal ties to each parent;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That the APA supports the protection of parent-child relationships through the legalization of joint adoptions and second parent adoptions of children being reared by same-sex couples;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services in their practice, research, education and training ("Ethical Principles," 2002, p. 1063);
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations.
References
Armesto, J. C. (2002). Developmental and contextual factors that influence gay fathers' parental competence: A review of the literature. Psychology of Men and Masculinity, 3, 67 - 78.
Conger, J.J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association,
Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.
Conger, J. J. (1977). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the legislative year 1976: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 32, 408-438.
Fox, R.E. (1991). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1990: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 9 and 12, 1990, Boston, MA, and February 8-9, 1991, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 45, 845.
DeLeon, P.H. (1993). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1992: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 13 and 16, 1992, and February 26-28, 1993, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 48,782.
DeLeon, P.H. (1995). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1994: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 11 and 14, 1994, Los Angeles, CA, and February 17-19, 1995, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 49, 627-628.
Ethical Principles of Psychologists and Code of Conduct. (2002). American Psychologist, 57, 1060-1073.
Levant, R.F. (2000). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the Legislative Year 1999: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives February 19-21, 1999, Washington, DC, and August 19 and 22, 1999, Boston, MA, and Minutes of the February, June, August, and December 1999 Meetings of the Board of Directors. American Psychologist, 55, 832-890.
Lofton v. Secretary of Department of Children & Family Services, 358 F.3d 804 (11th Cir. 2004).
Mays, V. M., & Cochran, S. D. (2001). Mental health correlates of perceived discrimination among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults in the United States. American Journal of Public Health, 91, 1869-1876.
Meyer, I. H. (2003). Prejudice, social stress, and mental health in lesbian, gay, and bisexual populations: Conceptual issues and research evidence. Psychological Bulletin, 129, 674-697.
Patterson, C.J. (2000). Family relationships of lesbians and gay men. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62, 1052- 1069.
Patterson, C.J. (2004a). Lesbian and gay parents and their children: Summary of research findings. In Lesbian and gay parenting: A resource for psychologists. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.
Patterson, C. J. (2004b). Gay fathers. In M. E. Lamb (Ed.), The role of the father in child development (4th Ed.). New York: John Wiley.
Patterson, C. J., Fulcher, M., & Wainright, J. (2002). Children of lesbian and gay parents: Research, law, and policy. In B. L. Bottoms, M. B. Kovera, and B. D. McAuliff (Eds.), Children, Social Science and the Law (pp, 176 - 199). New York: Cambridge University Press.
Perrin, E. C., and the Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health (2002). Technical Report: Coparent or second-parent adoption by same-sex parents. Pediatrics, 109, 341 - 344.
Stacey, J. & Biblarz, T.J. (2001). (How) Does sexual orientation of parents matter? American Sociological Review, 65, 159-183.
Tasker, F. (1999). Children in lesbian-led families - A review. Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 4, 153 - 166.
Tasker, F., & Golombok, S. (1997). Growing up in a lesbian family. New York: Guilford Press.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/parentschildren.pdf

To those of you who oppose homosexual parents, consider this- gay adoption supporters have a plethora of statistical studies, academic footwork, and true hard fact to support their position. All the opposers seem to have is voiced support from networks like Fox News and organizations like Focus on the Family.

It's fairly obvious which side is right on this issue. Cast aside your prejudice, and join those of us who push for equality and progress. Trust me, it feels better to have facts on your side rather than delusion for once.
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:33 AM
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Clearly we have to do even more, since many times they are not allowed to adopt. Knew quite a few couples that were refused flatly and indirectly for so called "other reasons".
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Clearly we have to do even more, since many times they are not allowed to adopt. Knew quite a few couples that were refused flatly and indirectly for so called "other reasons".
It depends on what agency you go to. A lot of them say outright that they are glad to help gay and lesbian couples adopt. Some even specialize in it.

However, it also depends on which country the couple wants to adopt from. There are a lot of countries outside the United States who refuses to let gay or lesbian couples in the US adopt their children. A way to get around that is for one partner to adopt as a single parent. That's what a friend's aunt did when they were told that Guatemala would rather see a child have one parent instead of having two moms.

I, of course, support gay rights. I have a few friends who are gay or bi (no solely lesbian friends, though), so I know what that struggle is like. And being denied the right to love and raise a child because of something you were born is wrong to me.

Science is proving day after day that being gay ISN'T a choice, although some very ignorant people still claim that it is. They say that gays shouldn't raise children because they'll spread their "disease."

But children raised by gays are no more likely to be gay than children raised by hetersexual parents, if I remember correctly. They just become more opened minded, which I think is needed in this day and age.

I really wish more gay and lesbian couples would adopt.
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Kind of random, but i thought I'd put it out there. Most opposers of homosexuality are afraid that the kids of homosexual parents will become homosexual themselves, yet numerous studies say that it is even less likely that they will "become" gay than if their parents were hetero (Heard this at some point in my human sexuality class). So the fear that gay parents will spread the gay "disease" to their children by moral opposers is completely irrational. I guess according to this logic and if the study is indeed true, the people who fear the spread of homosexuality should hand their children over to homosexuals to be raised so that they will less likely turn out to be gay. Boy is it a mixed up jumbled up world.
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Kind of random, but i thought I'd put it out there. Most opposers of homosexuality are afraid that the kids of homosexual parents will become homosexual themselves, yet numerous studies say that it is even less likely that they will "become" gay than if their parents were hetero (Heard this at some point in my human sexuality class). So the fear that gay parents will spread the gay "disease" to their children by moral opposers is completely irrational. I guess according to this logic and if the study is indeed true, the people who fear the spread of homosexuality should hand their children over to homosexuals to be raised so that they will less likely turn out to be gay. Boy is it a mixed up jumbled up world.
I don't really believe that study, since science is proving that what "makes" a person gay actually are the hormone levels of the mother while she's pregnant. They've also found that a man is more likely to be gay if he has numerous older brothers. The more older brothers he has, the more likely future sons will be gay.

It kind of reminds me of dogs... like how a purebred dog is accidently bred with a mixed breed, that litter will not be purebred (obviously) and a few future litters (not sure how many) will also be effected by that one accidental breeding.

Except in humans, it could be each pregnancy effects the products of future pregnancies when it comes to sexuality. Who knows, maybe there are other outcomes due to the environment of the uterus. Maybe personality is directly effected by hormone levels... That's just a speculation, of course.
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I really wish more gay and lesbian couples would adopt.
The brady bunch should have been about a gay couple the dad was gay in real life anyway! And the maid Alice was a lesbian for sure!!!!!! So she could come out of the closet! And they could all live happily ever after and reduce some of the fear, ignorance and denial clouding our culture.
How lovely!!!!!!!
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Gays need help most in the Islamic world. There's not much more which can be had in the west - anymore will result in greater problems for gays. Intelligent thinking people will eventually agree: gay rights is good; equal gay-hetro rights is not.


Polygamous lesbians flee Sharia



A Nigerian lesbian who "married" four women last weekend in Kano State has gone into hiding from the Islamic police, with her partners.
Under Sharia law, adopted in the state seven years ago, homosexuality and same-sex marriages are outlawed and considered very serious offences.

The theatre where the elaborate wedding celebration was held on Sunday has been demolished by Kano city's authorities.

Lesbianism is also illegal under Nigeria's national penal code.

Nigeria's parliament is considering tightening its laws on homosexuality.

Stoning

Kano's Hisbah board, which uses volunteers to enforce Islamic law, told the BBC that the women's marriage was "unacceptable".

The BBC's Bala Ibrahim in Kano says Aunty Maiduguri and her four "wives" are thought to have gone into hiding the day after they married.

All five women, who are believed to be film actresses in the local home-video industry, were born Muslims, otherwise they would not be covered by Sharia law.


Hisbah volunteers enforce Islamic law in Kano State

Islam says a man can take up to four wives if he is able to support them.

"As defenders of the Sharia laws, we shall not allow this unhealthy development to take root in the state," the Hisbah's deputy commander Ustaz Abubakar Rabo told Nigeria's This Day newspaper.

Mr Rabo told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that if the women were found guilty of lesbianism they faced one of two punishments.

For a married woman the offence would be considered adultery for which the punishment is death by stoning. A single woman would be caned.

Large turnout

Our correspondent says the theatre where the colourful wedding ceremony was held was flattened earlier this week.

Several reasons were given for the demolition, including the discovery that it was built on wrongly allocated land.

Eyewitnesses say there was a large turnout for the marriage and guests were given leaflets as a souvenir showing Aunty Maiduguri surrounded by her "brides".

A Kano police spokesman told the BBC that his officers were not actively looking for the women, but would arrest them if need be.

The Hisbah group, which is run separately from the police, receives state government support.

Two years ago, a Sharia court sentenced a man to six months in prison and fined him $38 for living as a woman for seven years in Kano.

Eleven other states in mostly Muslim northern Nigeria have adopted Sharia law.
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Gays need help most in the Islamic world. There's not much more which can be had in the west - anymore will result in greater problems for gays. Intelligent thinking people will eventually agree: gay rights is good; equal gay-hetro rights is not.


Polygamous lesbians flee Sharia



A Nigerian lesbian who "married" four women last weekend in Kano State has gone into hiding from the Islamic police, with her partners.
Under Sharia law, adopted in the state seven years ago, homosexuality and same-sex marriages are outlawed and considered very serious offences.

The theatre where the elaborate wedding celebration was held on Sunday has been demolished by Kano city's authorities.

Lesbianism is also illegal under Nigeria's national penal code.

Nigeria's parliament is considering tightening its laws on homosexuality.

Stoning

Kano's Hisbah board, which uses volunteers to enforce Islamic law, told the BBC that the women's marriage was "unacceptable".

The BBC's Bala Ibrahim in Kano says Aunty Maiduguri and her four "wives" are thought to have gone into hiding the day after they married.

All five women, who are believed to be film actresses in the local home-video industry, were born Muslims, otherwise they would not be covered by Sharia law.


Hisbah volunteers enforce Islamic law in Kano State

Islam says a man can take up to four wives if he is able to support them.

"As defenders of the Sharia laws, we shall not allow this unhealthy development to take root in the state," the Hisbah's deputy commander Ustaz Abubakar Rabo told Nigeria's This Day newspaper.

Mr Rabo told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that if the women were found guilty of lesbianism they faced one of two punishments.

For a married woman the offence would be considered adultery for which the punishment is death by stoning. A single woman would be caned.

Large turnout

Our correspondent says the theatre where the colourful wedding ceremony was held was flattened earlier this week.

Several reasons were given for the demolition, including the discovery that it was built on wrongly allocated land.

Eyewitnesses say there was a large turnout for the marriage and guests were given leaflets as a souvenir showing Aunty Maiduguri surrounded by her "brides".

A Kano police spokesman told the BBC that his officers were not actively looking for the women, but would arrest them if need be.

The Hisbah group, which is run separately from the police, receives state government support.

Two years ago, a Sharia court sentenced a man to six months in prison and fined him $38 for living as a woman for seven years in Kano.

Eleven other states in mostly Muslim northern Nigeria have adopted Sharia law.
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I have nothing against gay couples. Someone needs to take care of those kids. If they are up for it power to them.
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I have nothing against gay couples. Someone needs to take care of those kids. If they are up for it power to them.
I agree totally. Even in worst case scenario, gay is only one wrong. However, I see gay rights being better than equal rights as benefitting gays. Rights call for respect of fellow human beings and their right to pursue happiness, but equal rights is a false premise, and effects hetros far more than most wish to honestly admit. The false premise is that hetros are bigots if they do not see equal rights - this is not true. Both party's rights should be respected - gays and hetros.

This is the best benefit for gays, and also for the transcendent premise for humanity: if gay populations reach 20%, humanity will be destroyed in a few generations.
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your a classic Joseph you've got all bases covered!
I'm open to correction - but if anyone calls me a bigot, I give it back. A bogot is one who does not take hetro biological responsa into account - more so than the other way around. A bigot is one who lies to gays and shows he is uneffected by gay behaviour: its absolute BS, and akin to saying there is no reaction to incest either. It does not help gays any.
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I'm open to correction - but if anyone calls me a bigot, I give it back. A bogot is one who does not take hetro biological responsa into account - more so than the other way around. A bigot is one who lies to gays and shows he is uneffected by gay behaviour: its absolute BS, and akin to saying there is no reaction to incest either. It does not help gays any.

i am sorry but being gay is not contagious.
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I'm open to correction - but if anyone calls me a bigot, I give it back. A bogot is one who does not take hetro biological responsa into account - more so than the other way around. A bigot is one who lies to gays and shows he is uneffected by gay behaviour: its absolute BS, and akin to saying there is no reaction to incest either. It does not help gays any.
There is a difference between hysterical response to a culture and tangible effect from the inherent quality of a culture, IamJoseph. You, being somebody who has studied the world at large's response to Judaism throughout the ages, should understand that much at least.

I will not effect anyone's marraige or personal life. If they have personal or economic difficulties as a couple, that is entirely their own fault. If they are personally responding to my newly acquired rights in ways that bring harm upon themselves, their reactions still lie entirely on their own delusional shoulders.

Polygamists bring economic difficulties due to the number of mates that need to be provided for as domestic partners, not to mention the confusion it would bring to issues of divorce or custody. Incest brings genetic issues into the forefront, and thus also has a quality that seperates it from homosexual rights issues. for either polygamists or incestuous partners to get their rights, they would have to become a more common group with an actual voice in politics or culture. Since I do not see examples of this happening, I doubt legalizing gay marraige will lead to the slippery slope you so delusionally seem to imply.
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